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Congratulations, now you understand people who hate JJTrek and Discovery. Only now, at the end, do you understand.
Star Trek Picard season 3
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CaptainWacky
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Oh I wouldn't say I ever really liked it, I'm just willing to tolerate a lot of it. I've always seen there's not a lot of substance to it.Congratulations, now you understand people who hate JJTrek and Discovery. Only now, at the end, do you understand.
StarMan™
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I enjoyed '09 at the time - it was a good bit of fun after Trek being six feet under for 4 years. STID though, I was hyped to the tits on that one and left the theater very disappointed. I felt the same after The Rise of Skywalker. Do you ever watch a movie and you're waiting for it to get started - waiting for it to hook you, get in the groove with the main story... you know what I mean. But then you look at your watch and see you're already 2/3 of the way through the film and realise "shit, this IS it". Both JJ films, funnily enough.
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Beyond was my favorite of the three JJ films for some reason. I remember seeing '09 in the theater and walking out with a couple of friends of mine afterward and thinking "What the fuck was THAT?"
Into Darkness was pretty much the same thing, but even worse. Beyond seemed at least a bit like real Star Trek to me.
StarMan™
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I don't mind The Borg, but at this point I want to THE Borg, not just The Queen in her lair twirling her mustache and the 25-and-under Starfleet Drone Squad. The real Borg - bunch of cubes coming in to assimilate Starfleet and Earth proper.
After last week and the buildup to the finale, I feel strangely ambivalent about the final episode. I hope it's at least 60 minutes (ideally more - this is IT, right?) and they've been saving their pennies for something extravagant.
After last week and the buildup to the finale, I feel strangely ambivalent about the final episode. I hope it's at least 60 minutes (ideally more - this is IT, right?) and they've been saving their pennies for something extravagant.
StarMan™
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Also, I see that Section 31: The movie is happening. With ACADEMY AWARD WINNER Michelle Yeoh.
Timby over on the SA forum says they threw this deal together in the last 72 hours and are compressing a 6-part miniseries down to a two-hour flick.
I am not remotely interested in it and wish they'd STFU about S31, but if I had to choose between a movie and a 6-part miniseries, I'd probably go the miniseries.
The only reason I see this being greenlit is so they can slap Yeoh's face all across Paramount+ marketing.
Timby over on the SA forum says they threw this deal together in the last 72 hours and are compressing a 6-part miniseries down to a two-hour flick.
I am not remotely interested in it and wish they'd STFU about S31, but if I had to choose between a movie and a 6-part miniseries, I'd probably go the miniseries.
The only reason I see this being greenlit is so they can slap Yeoh's face all across Paramount+ marketing.
CaptainWacky
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I guess Yeoh would only commit to two hours and hey it's easier to ignore one shit tv movie than one ongoing shit tv show (maybe it won't be shit lol.)
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Dr Dave
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Yeah I miss the proper TNG era Borg, not this nonsense that got ruined by the TNG movies and Voy.
The Section 31 idea was horrible from the start. Once again, it screams of them thinking that Trek isn't cool or edgy enough, so they want to take something that worked really well in the context of the large epic story being told in DS9 around the Dominion War and do God knows what with the idea.
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It's gonna be shit. We all know it's gonna be shit. The entire premise is predicated on shit. Shit at the root grows only shit to the leaves.
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That's been JJTrek and KurtzmanTrek pretty much all the way through. They don't understand Star Trek, and consequently aren't able to produce Star Trek; just otherwise-generic Sigh Figh with (metaphorical) Star Trek set dressing.
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I actually get why they went with the Borg. I'm... disappointed, but I get it. The Borg are Picard's villain; they're the villain that's personal for him, on an intimate and ultimate level. In that sense, they're a perfect and totally appropriate choice.
But...
It would still give a greater sense of narrative realism if they'd chosen something equally powerful but indifferent to the Main Protagonist. That's really what gave the Borg their original narrative power: it didn't care. Not 'they' -- it. It was a monolith of a species. Unrelatable. That got cast by the way pretty quickly, of course. There was probably no choice, since in order to make them an active and ongoing threat, they had to be retconned into assimilators of organic life. It was their increasingly humanized portrayal that robbed them of their gravitas.
CaptainWacky
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I don't really have any strong predictions. Maybe Picard dies, dunno. I figure they're going to use Jack to shut down the Borg somehow, maybe sacrificing him or Picard to do it, but they probably want one last nostalgia-filled feel good send off as well, so maybe they just magic fix everything then do the "these are the voyages" speech at the end.
Going back to the Borg to end Picard's story would have been fine and could have been meaningful and well earned from a story perspective if they hadn't already gone to the well so many times. They were the backdrop to the first two seasons, where they were used in a way that would have made even the writers of the later seasons of Voyager blush.
The fact that now the Borg are just listening to the Queen monologuing has killed their effectiveness and creepiness as well. That can't all be blamed on Picard, but they have still leaned into it.
This is pretty much where I stand with it. NuTrek has all been written in a way that is either trying to ape other sci-fi or popular shows (mystery box bullshit) because they don't trust that Star Trek is exciting and cool enough for the trendy kids or doing a "nudge-nudge" and "wink-wink" nostalgia act with call-backs that they mine Memory Alpha for.