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Starfleet Academy - It's Happening


Nah, actually I just watched the first episode. That turned out to be all I needed to know.

A lot of YTers are saying it's down hill from there.

I also look at the Paramount+ ratings, and it's looks like SFA is losing ground fast with the Trekkie audience.

As to the first episode, I've seen worse, but not much. For example, many years ago I stumbled on a vid compilation of dogs shitting in Asian women's mouths.

That too was horrifying.

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This is the best episode of the show yet.

THAT SAID, It still has many of the fundamental issues I have present. They’re clearly conscious choices, they’re not going away, and I don’t like them. I probably never will. The question for me is does everything else make up for it, and this episode proves the show can do that.

I have already banged on about it multiple times but I HAVE to mention these two things again, because they are EVER PRESENT and it's annoying me.

The legacy Trek nods are way too frequent for the timeframe. Braka playing with the NX-01 model, the Vulcan cadet quoting Spock, etc. There was definitely a few more I'm blanking on as well.

It's too much. We did the love letter to DS9 last week that let them cut loose when it came to legacy Trek references because it was the main plot point but it just feels artificially stuffed into this one.

They have chosen to set this EIGHT-HUNDRED years after the TNG/DS9/VOY era of Trek but they can't fully commit to it. When you add the legacy nods to the frankly weird (and incorrect) choice to make so much of the dialogue read contemporary to our time the whole thing feels jarring when it doesn't need to be.

Just commit to the era, tell the story and drop the contemporary nonsense. There is something interesting to explore in this era. The whole rebuilding after The Burn and the Federation being on its knees as a once great power clawing back control in a completely hostile environment is inherently interesting. Just do more of that.

Braka is fun. Paul Giamatti is absolutely chewing the scenery and I don't mind. You could critique it as too much, too Gary Oldman-in-Léon, but it’s so entertaining I just don't care. Yes, it's very monologue heavy but it manages it because Giamatti has the acting chops to pull it off. He's completely OTT but it's enjoyable to watch and he's irredeemably unhinged. Grey villains are fine when done right but an irredeemable asshole like this is also good when you have the actor to pull it off.

The setup is… convenient. They’re doing a live exercise on a derelict ship and it all goes wrong instantly. The Braka twist at the end softens it but still. We don’t have a simulation for this? We can’t do the basic training version of it before we send the new kids on the block? Maybe third years? Also, maybe don’t send the cadet who’s still having panic attacks on the bridge on this particular field trip.

Also, is there ANYONE who didn't call the red shirt death from the start?

The action and pacing of the episode was exciting though, and I liked the War College and Academy working together complete with real stakes. It made them feel competent (besides miss panic attack on the bridge)

The Caleb/Tarima stuff… meh. I liked their vibe when she was introduced. Since then, it’s felt like the show’s speed-running their relationship because of the 10-episode season squeeze. Now they’ve slept together and suddenly we’re doing telepathic link stuff. I get it. I don’t hate it. It just doesn’t feel like it’s progressed in a satisfying way, it feels like they’re ticking plot boxes at double speed.

There are things that grate on me heavily still about this show but I will say this: I had to tap out of Discovery for one GLARING reason. I found it boring as fuck. This show has MANY issues, but it's not boring. There are lots of interesting things going on and it feels ambitious and when it does focus on the Trek-centric storytelling of the era they are in without the legacy nods and referencing to wanking it generally works well. I have rolled my eyes a bunch of times over the last 6 episodes but I've never been bored watching the show.

Oh yeah, the bat demon alien things felt a bit Buffy-esque which was fitting because we basically got this as the resolution of the episode:

 
Based on P+'s ratings, a lot of other Trekkies are doing the same.
Ratings don't justify your refusal to see anything past the first episode. The highest rated streaming shows are usually dusty old sitcoms & dramas.

You keep posting in here like it's TK circa 2005. Dude, we're all 20 years older now and have moved on. Watch the show or don't, but stop trolling in here.
 
Ratings don't justify your refusal to see anything past the first episode. The highest rated streaming shows are usually dusty old sitcoms & dramas.

You keep posting in here like it's TK circa 2005. Dude, we're all 20 years older now and have moved on. Watch the show or don't, but stop trolling in here.

I'm not trolling, just voicing my opinion and presenting uncomfortable facts.

You just don't like that.

And the reason "dusty old sitcoms" are watched more is because they're better written.

Taylor Sheridan's shows are better written.

SFA is not. The ratings prove it; if it were worth watching, then Trekkies would watch it.
 
The legacy Trek nods are way too frequent for the timeframe. Braka playing with the NX-01 model, the Vulcan cadet quoting Spock, etc. There was definitely a few more I'm blanking on as well.

It's too much. We did the love letter to DS9 last week that let them cut loose when it came to legacy Trek references because it was the main plot point but it just feels artificially stuffed into this one.

They have chosen to set this EIGHT-HUNDRED years after the TNG/DS9/VOY era of Trek but they can't fully commit to it. When you add the legacy nods to the frankly weird (and incorrect) choice to make so much of the dialogue read contemporary to our time the whole thing feels jarring when it doesn't need to be.
I wish they would reference stuff from the 700 years we didn't see. Have someone quote the famous Captain Bricknose of the USS Portman in 2675 or something.
 
But then they would make up weird stuff and retcon things and get the timeline all screwed up again and we'd be in yet another knockoff universe and be making the same cycle of complaints...
 
From the latest episode (from what I saw on a YT clip):

Paul Giamatti's Character: "The hills are alive with the sound of murder"

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From the little I've seen it seems to have been a conscious decision to avoid any semblance of verisimilitude.

(Presumably to attract those hip youngsters).
 
I'm glad this show is face-planting, it's honestly petty I know, but I do enjoy watching expensive, soulless works that project colossal insincerity stumble. There's probably a word for it in German.

It's a shame most of the noise about it comes from meth-peddling right wing morons like Nerdrotic since everybody else has seemingly stopped paying attention. I don't want anybody near the JRE orbit working on Star Trek either since he and his pals are credulous dipshits at best and that's only if I'm being generous. There's plenty of poorly made trash that's highly watched, that this show is badly written is only part of the reason why it's tanking; the whole vibe of the thing being equal to that meme of Steve Buschemi pretending to be a teenager is probably a contributing factor since that first teaser poster read like a parody. Taylor Sheridan's stuff is popular because there are lot of middle aged men who are self concious about their own various inadequecies and, not because it's particularly well written.

I still can't quite wrap my brain around the fact that the cokehead from NewsRadio who got Phil Hartman killed by proxy turned out to be less damaging to society at large and proffessional comedy in particular than Joe Rogan. Maybe people would be less obliged to listen to him if mainstream media weren't entirely owned by and operated in the interests of baby eating pedophile billionaire capitalists? Maybe if those same monsters didn't mine every aspect of popular culture to the absolute bone in order to wrend profit from people's nostalgia because there is no plan going forward except death? Maybe if they didn't turn people's identities into marketable buzzwords they can use to turn a buck, and then and blame if people don't like their shit product?

oh yeah, uh, this show. I hope the people doing the grunt work on the production find better employment soon. They should organize if they aren't in a union already, workers of the world unite and so on.
 
Maybe people would be less obliged to listen to him if mainstream media weren't entirely owned by and operated in the interests of baby eating pedophile billionaire capitalists? Maybe if those same monsters didn't mine every aspect of popular culture to the absolute bone in order to wrend profit from people's nostalgia because there is no plan going forward except death? Maybe if they didn't turn people's identities into marketable buzzwords they can use to turn a buck, and then and blame if people don't like their shit product?

QFFT.

As to Avary's appearance on JRE... since I suspect most here were too timid and invested in SFA to actually listen to what he said: Avary is an established Hollyweird writer with good credits behind him. He's also a major Star Trek nerd. MAJOR. When he heard the franchise was coming back under Kurtzman, he contacted fuck face and offered to work for scale. He just wanted in on the experience.

Kurtzman turned him down because he didn't want anyone with any emotional investment or working knowledge of ST onboard. Kurtzman wanted this whole thing to be in his own image. He turned down someone who seriously could have made all of this come out "okay."

As it turned out, I can stomach only two things from Kurtzman: 1) Picard season 3, which made my peepee hard, and 2) about 2/3rds of SNW. Especially Christina Chong... who also makes my peepee hard. In both cases, it's mostly about characters I care about.

The rest is a disaster, and it's a riot watching people across the interwebs expectorating comments like "oh, this episode wasn't so bad; I liked this and this." Bitches, are your expectations that low now?

If in the end, you're forced to admit that fucks like Nerdrotic, Clownfish TV, and OverlordDVD are more right and make more sense when it comes to honest assessments of what's passing for TV these days, you should probably bite the pillow and admit you're just jaded and can't recall the thrill of TNG, DS9 etc.

Oh, and I strongly disagree: Sheridan's stuff is being watched because he knows how to create interesting scenarios where no one is really the good guy... just some are not as shitty as others. The Sopranos Effect is here to stay for the foreseeable future. I've joked about it, but really there's no way he could handle a ST series because he probably doesn't know what a decent Starfleet officer would look like. God knows Kurtzman has problems with it.
 
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