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A natural response "the caveman" arguement

headvoid

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TQ, in another thread, has responded with a "inate, caveman or natural" defence. I see this a lot in internet arguements and there is possibly a rich vein for me - it rankles a little.

It is natural for us to wish to be amongst our own kind - Group dynamics have often been cited as part of this.
Communities may be distinguished from other types of groups by the need for members to eliminate barriers to communication in order to be able to form true community. Examples of common barriers are: expectations and preconceptions; prejudices; ideology, theology and solutions.

But the caveman arguement always falls down for me, because basically we are not caveman. It is my natural response to want to sleep with as many attractive women as possible - in order to spread my seed if you like. But fighting, or at least using it positively, is part of forming a community.

Do you ever use a caveman response to an arguement? Is it valid in any way?
 
Of course it's valid. Look at demographics broken down by ethnicity -- compare censii from different countries, if you like. Like flocks to like, everywhere. We are cavemen, just with far better technology. And it is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
Such natural "tyranny" is no hardship on animals unable to imagine any other state. Animals simply accept the absolute domination of their conqueror, once established, the same way they unthinkingly accept storms, pain, annual migrations, birth and other phenomena of the natural world into which they are born.

As the first cave men emerged from the dumb-brute state, their "government" was inevitably a simple carry-over of this rule by combat-proven conquerors.

In terms of geology and anthropology, not until the most recent times did man become sufficiently imaginative and intelligent to project his brief periods of surcease from the leader's domination into the abstract concept of "freedom." Even today, such a concept is utterly foreign and useless to primitive and savage groups under natural conditions. Whenever more advanced civilized groups attempt to give or force their noble concepts of "free" government on backward people, the latter quickly revert to their dictators and tyrants, as we see all over the tropics, in Africa, Haiti, etc.

Strong and truly brave men are rarely cruel and evil; meanness and cruelty are the traits of weaklings, never strong men.

But humanity has a terrible habit in correcting evils.

Often it moves and fights long and hard to correct an evil, only to keep moving in the same direction to make an evil out of the correction!

This is precisely what has happened in Western Civilization.

"Freedom" has become an insane fetish, a crazy, illogical shibboleth toward which everybody bows, regardless of whether it is real, responsible freedom such as America knew during the eighteen-hundreds, or the wild, murderous, vicious libertinism masquerading as "freedom" of savage Africa and the American "left."

We of the National Socialist White People's Party believe that Western Man necessarily moved left for a thousand years, away from the total tyranny of the right, until he reached the "golden mean" of a perfect balance between the need for order (and some government) and the need for liberty.

We believe that that ideal political golden mean was reached in the American Constitution - not the filthy, twisted thing the present Supreme Court has made of it, but the original, magnificently balanced government of laws and checks devised by our inspired Founding Fathers. Before proceeding, let me sum up the argument so far. The terms "left" and "right" refer only to the degree of authority in a society. The more authoritarian a government, the more "right" it is; the more libertarian it is, the more it is "left." This is historical and semantic fact.

After we had established the American Constitutional Republic in 1789, the perfect balance between authority and order balanced against liberty and freedom, we continued to move to the left - toward libertinism and anarchy!

After thousands of years of struggle toward "freedom" Western Man was unable to be satisfied when he reached moderation. Like a man dying of thirst in the desert, who gulps down so much water that he kills himself, Western Man, thirsting madly for freedom, has gone right on past the inspired balance and moderation of the Constitution of 1789 to chase the chimera of "liberty" until today we teeter on the edge of anarchy - until there is so much phony "liberty" that the likes of Stokley Carmichael, Rap Brown and Martin Luther King can legally survive while they incite riots, bloodshed and war in our midst, and win world prizes for "peace !"

We are racing toward anarchy, toward chaos and total freedom for mobs.

Under these deadly conditions it is a matter of life or death for those who would lead us politically to know what they are talking about, and not confuse the issue.

Yet we have the man who commands millions of dollars of funds contributed by desperate, decent Americans Robert Welch - telling Americans "Nazism and Communism are the SAME THING!" To understand just how insane and suicidal that is, let me report an experiment we used to make when I was studying psychology at Brown University.

We got a bucket of hot water and a bucket of ice water, and stuck one hand in each bucket. After our hands had gotten used to the extreme heat and the extreme cold, we plunged both hands together into a bucket of water at room temperature. The ordinary water felt boiling hot to the hand that had been in the ice water, and the same water felt freezing cold to the hand that had been in the hot water.

I have mentioned this experiment (which you can do yourself) to point up the relative nature of the words "left" and "right." To be sure, there are absolute extremes of these terms, as I have shown: tyranny on the right and anarchy on the left.

But the spectrum from right to left is a very great distance, and regardless of one's absolute position on the scale, those to the left of one look like "leftists" regardless of their absolute position, and those to the right appear as "rightists."

This is why we have Gus Hall, head of the Communist Party of America, calling the wild, raging radicals of Progressive Labor "leftists" and calling President Johnson a "Nazi"!

This relativity on the left-right political scale is why "left" and "right" have lost a lot of meaning today. America has moved so damnably far toward the extreme left, that any effort to get back to the center must, by necessity, be "Extreme Rightist".

So far, the U.S.A. has not gone as far down the road to the left as Germany. No U.S. states have hung up the Communist rag and totally overthrown order and authority, as the Jews did when Germany was defeated in World War I. So far, we can still save ourselves by Constitutional and orderly methods, and we do not yet have to move all the way to dictatorship, to correct the evil. So far. There is plenty of power in the Presidency already so that I-or any honest, decent and informed American leader-can restore order and liberty under law to our perishing America.

But if the Kosher Conservatives continue to temporize with the Negro situation and pretend that we can beat the Jews and their rush toward anarchy and Bolshevism by loving Jews and Negroes and never mentioning the enemy-and by pretending that "Communism and Nazism are the same thing"-God help us! We will be like a man who finds a little glow of fire in a box of dynamite and keeps blowing on it, hoping that he can "cool it off" and stop the fire without using water or radical methods, for fear of ruining his dynamite.

America can no longer fiddle around with easy ways!

America is "on fire" with anarchy!

But the fire is still small. We do not yet need the dictatorship Hitler was forced to adopt (because Germany needed political "martial law" with whole states going Red).

Those who keep prating of "individual freedom" should take a look in the streets of any American city and see the wild, wooly, murderous "individual freedom" we already have-for Negroes, criminals, Reds and Jews! There is too much "individual freedom" for the enemy. But the Kosher Conservatives don't dare even mention the enemy!

Let me remind the reader that his great-great-great grandparents did not grant Negroes any kind of "equality", -but chained them up as slaves. They would have laughed at modern methods of "crime prevention" by handing out more and more money and easy days in sofa jails. They set up WHIPPING posts, ducking stools and hung those who refused to conform to society's rules. Even the most rabid "Nazi" today does not advocate slavery, although the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution not only advocated slavery-they practiced it.

They didn't permit women or men without property to vote.

They didn't believe in letting the "people" select a President, being well aware of the danger of the demagoguery which plagues our nation today. Instead, they set up an electoral college to guarantee selection, not of the most popular demagogue, but of the best statesman to lead America. (So we have by-passed the Electoral College.)
it goes on and on and on
 
It certainly does, and I'd wager that no matter how far it goes, it never comes any closer to supporting your position. ;)
 
"What is really precious to the average American is not his freedom or his honor or the future of his race, but his pay check. He complained when the System began busing his kids to Black schools 20 years ago, but he was allowed to keep his station wagon and his fiberglass speedboat, so he didn't fight... He complained when they took away his guns five years ago, but he still had his color TV and his backyard barbeque, so he didn't fight... And he complains today when the Blacks rape his women at will and the System makes him show an identity pass to buy groceries or pick up his laundry, but he still has a full belly most of the time, so he won't fight... He hasn't an idea in his head that wasn't put there by his TV set... That, unfortunately, is our average White American..."

It's from a book i know you would just love!
 
I'm sure it's very interesting; what it isn't very, however, is: relevant to the point you're ostensibly trying to make.
 
Our parents were the ultimate in cavemen. " Because I said so" was their answer to everything, only slightly more eloquent than a Neanderthal club.
 
I think I was attacking The Saint for his seperatist views at the time - then started quoting from The Turner Diaries

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Diaries

Admittedly it was during a whole spate of other threads and now seems a little obtuse.
 
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