Ahmadinejad's letter to Americans

Tyrant

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Noble Americans,

Were we not faced with the activities of the US administration in this part of the world and the negative ramifications of those activities on the daily lives of our peoples, coupled with the many wars and calamities caused by the US administration as well as the tragic consequences of US interference in other countries;

Were the American people not God-fearing, truth-loving, and justice-seeking, while the US administration actively conceals the truth and impedes any objective portrayal of current realities;

And if we did not share a common responsibility to promote and protect freedom and human dignity and integrity;

Then, there would have been little urgency to have a dialogue with you.

While Divine providence has placed Iran and the United States geographically far apart, we should be cognizant that human values and our common human spirit, which proclaim the dignity and exalted worth of all human beings, have brought our two great nations of Iran and the United States closer together.

Both our nations are God-fearing, truth-loving and justice-seeking, and both seek dignity, respect and perfection.

Both greatly value and readily embrace the promotion of human ideals such as compassion, empathy, respect for the rights of human beings, securing justice and equity, and defending the innocent and the weak against oppressors and bullies.

We are all inclined towards the good, and towards extending a helping hand to one another, particularly to those in need.

We all deplore injustice, the trampling of peoples' rights and the intimidation and humiliation of human beings.

We all detest darkness, deceit, lies and distortion, and seek and admire salvation, enlightenment, sincerity and honesty.

The pure human essence of the two great nations of Iran and the United States testify to the veracity of these statements.

Noble Americans,

Our nation has always extended its hand of friendship to all other nations of the world.

Hundreds of thousands of my Iranian compatriots are living amongst you in friendship and peace, and are contributing positively to your society. Our people have been in contact with you over the past many years and have maintained these contacts despite the unnecessary restrictions of US authorities.

As mentioned, we have common concerns, face similar challenges, and are pained by the sufferings and afflictions in the world.

We, like you, are aggrieved by the ever-worsening pain and misery of the Palestinian people. Persistent aggressions by the Zionists are making life more and more difficult for the rightful owners of the land of Palestine. In broad day-light, in front of cameras and before the eyes of the world, they are bombarding innocent defenseless civilians, bulldozing houses, firing machine guns at students in the streets and alleys, and subjecting their families to endless grief.

No day goes by without a new crime.

Palestinian mothers, just like Iranian and American mothers, love their children, and are painfully bereaved by the imprisonment, wounding and murder of their children. What mother wouldn't?

For 60 years, the Zionist regime has driven millions of the inhabitants of Palestine out of their homes. Many of these refugees have died in the Diaspora and in refugee camps. Their children have spent their youth in these camps and are aging while still in the hope of returning to homeland.

You know well that the US administration has persistently provided blind and blanket support to the Zionist regime, has emboldened it to continue its crimes, and has prevented the UN Security Council from condemning it.

Who can deny such broken promises and grave injustices towards humanity by the US administration?

Governments are there to serve their own people. No people wants to side with or support any oppressors. But regrettably, the US administration disregards even its own public opinion and remains in the forefront of supporting the trampling of the rights of the Palestinian people.

Let's take a look at Iraq. Since the commencement of the US military presence in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, maimed or displaced. Terrorism in Iraq has grown exponentially. With the presence of the US military in Iraq, nothing has been done to rebuild the ruins, to restore the infrastructure or to alleviate poverty. The US Government used the pretext of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but later it became clear that that was just a lie and a deception.

Although Saddam was overthrown and people are happy about his departure, the pain and suffering of the Iraqi people has persisted and has even been aggravated.

In Iraq, about one hundred and fifty thousand American soldiers, separated from their families and loved ones, are operating under the command of the current US administration. A substantial number of them have been killed or wounded and their presence in Iraq has tarnished the image of the American people and government.

Their mothers and relatives have, on numerous occasions, displayed their discontent with the presence of their sons and daughters in a land thousands of miles away from US shores. American soldiers often wonder why they have been sent to Iraq.

I consider it extremely unlikely that you, the American people, consent to the billions of dollars of annual expenditure from your treasury for this military misadventure.

Noble Americans,

You have heard that the US administration is kidnapping its presumed opponents from across the globe and arbitrarily holding them without trial or any international supervision in horrendous prisons that it has established in various parts of the world. God knows who these detainees actually are, and what terrible fate awaits them.

You have certainly heard the sad stories of the Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib prisons. The US administration attempts to justify them through its proclaimed "war on terror." But every one knows that such behavior, in fact, offends global public opinion, exacerbates resentment and thereby spreads terrorism, and tarnishes the US image and its credibility among nations.

The US administration's illegal and immoral behavior is not even confined to outside its borders. You are witnessing daily that under the pretext of "the war on terror," civil liberties in the United States are being increasingly curtailed. Even the privacy of individuals is fast losing its meaning. Judicial due process and fundamental rights are trampled upon. Private phones are tapped, suspects are arbitrarily arrested, sometimes beaten in the streets, or even shot to death.

I have no doubt that the American people do not approve of this behavior and indeed deplore it.

The US administration does not accept accountability before any organization, institution or council. The US administration has undermined the credibility of international organizations, particularly the United Nations and its Security Council. But, I do not intend to address all the challenges and calamities in this message.

The legitimacy, power and influence of a government do not emanate from its arsenals of tanks, fighter aircrafts, missiles or nuclear weapons. Legitimacy and influence reside in sound logic, quest for justice and compassion and empathy for all humanity. The global position of the United States is in all probability weakened because the administration has continued to resort to force, to conceal the truth, and to mislead the American people about its policies and practices.

Undoubtedly, the American people are not satisfied with this behavior and they showed their discontent in the recent elections. I hope that in the wake of the mid-term elections, the administration of President Bush will have heard and will heed the message of the American people.

My questions are the following:

Is there not a better approach to governance?

Is it not possible to put wealth and power in the service of peace, stability, prosperity and the happiness of all peoples through a commitment to justice and respect for the rights of all nations, instead of aggression and war?

We all condemn terrorism, because its victims are the innocent.

But, can terrorism be contained and eradicated through war, destruction and the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents?

If that were possible, then why has the problem not been resolved?

The sad experience of invading Iraq is before us all.

What has blind support for the Zionists by the US administration brought for the American people? It is regrettable that for the US administration, the interests of these occupiers supersedes the interests of the American people and of the other nations of the world.

What have the Zionists done for the American people that the US administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous aggressors? Is it not because they have imposed themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and media sectors?

I recommend that in a demonstration of respect for the American people and for humanity, the right of Palestinians to live in their own homeland should be recognized so that millions of Palestinian refugees can return to their homes and the future of all of Palestine and its form of government be determined in a referendum. This will benefit everyone.

Now that Iraq has a Constitution and an independent Assembly and Government, would it not be more beneficial to bring the US officers and soldiers home, and to spend the astronomical US military expenditures in Iraq for the welfare and prosperity of the American people? As you know very well, many victims of Katrina continue to suffer, and countless Americans continue to live in poverty and homelessness.

I'd also like to say a word to the winners of the recent elections in the US:

The United States has had many administrations; some who have left a positive legacy, and others that are neither remembered fondly by the American people nor by other nations.

Now that you control an important branch of the US Government, you will also be held to account by the people and by history.

If the US Government meets the current domestic and external challenges with an approach based on truth and Justice, it can remedy some of the past afflictions and alleviate some of the global resentment and hatred of America. But if the approach remains the same, it would not be unexpected that the American people would similarly reject the new electoral winners, although the recent elections, rather than reflecting a victory, in reality point to the failure of the current administration's policies. These issues had been extensively dealt with in my letter to President Bush earlier this year.

To sum up:

It is possible to govern based on an approach that is distinctly different from one of coercion, force and injustice.

It is possible to sincerely serve and promote common human values, and honesty and compassion.

It is possible to provide welfare and prosperity without tension, threats, imposition or war.

It is possible to lead the world towards the aspired perfection by adhering to unity, monotheism, morality and spirituality and drawing upon the teachings of the Divine Prophets.

Then, the American people, who are God-fearing and followers of Divine religions, will overcome every difficulty.

What I stated represents some of my anxieties and concerns.

I am confident that you, the American people, will play an instrumental role in the establishment of justice and spirituality throughout the world. The promises of the Almighty and His prophets will certainly be realized, Justice and Truth will prevail and all nations will live a true life in a climate replete with love, compassion and fraternity.

The US governing establishment, the authorities and the powerful should not choose irreversible paths. As all prophets have taught us, injustice and transgression will eventually bring about decline and demise. Today, the path of return to faith and spirituality is open and unimpeded.

We should all heed the Divine Word of the Holy Qur'an:

"But those who repent, have faith and do good may receive Salvation. Your Lord, alone, creates and chooses as He will, and others have no part in His choice; Glorified is God and Exalted above any partners they ascribe to Him." (28:67-68)

I pray to the Almighty to bless the Iranian and American nations and indeed all nations of the world with dignity and success.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
29 November 2006

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/29/ahmadinejad.letter/

Atlas_Collins said:
I would have no problem if those soldiers used the little and cupcakeer muds for target practice. They just grow up to be jihadis like in the second video anyway.

ALL muslim scum should be exterminated.

Islam Delenda Est!
LOL
 

Tyrant

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Atlas_Collins

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Hitler could write a nice propaganda letter too.


Tell me, Messy, why do you think Ahmejagidad cares so much about the "zionists"? Iran is hundreds of miles away from "palestine" - so what's his angle - do YOU think?
 

Tyrant

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Atlas_Collins said:
Hitler could write a nice propaganda letter too.


Tell me, Messy, why do you think Ahmejagidad cares so much about the "zionists"? Iran is hundreds of miles away from "palestine" - so what's his angle - do YOU think?
From that POV, I'll ask: Why should we care?
 

The Question

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Right. Iran is hundreds of miles away from Palestine. We're thousands of miles away from Israel.

And apparently, the difference between propaganda and the truth is whether or not you take the Zionist position. If you do, no objective assessments are necessary -- or permitted.
 

Atlas_Collins

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From the prospective of the historic US policy of support of the joos in Israel, I agree with both of you - but as I've pointed out before: I'd rather be kiked by a joo than slaughtered by a jihadi.

I fucking HATE muslim scum. They are the enemy of all non-Islam and their evil creed bluntly states that I, as a non-muslim scum, must "submit" to their filthy prophet or die.

I will never "submit" and if I have to die I will die on my feet. There can be no consensus reached - there can be no compromise, with Islam. It must be destroyed.

Since the muslim scum hate the joos even worse than they do me - I may as well help the joos.

Islam Delenda Est!
 

Atlas_Collins

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From the prospective of the historic US policy of support of the joos in Israel, I agree with both of you - but as I've pointed out before: I'd rather be kiked by a joo than slaughtered by a jihadi.

I fucking HATE muslim scum. They are the enemy of all non-Islam and their evil creed bluntly states that I, as a non-muslim scum, must "submit" to their filthy prophet or die.

I will never "submit" and if I have to die I will die on my feet. There can be no consensus reached - there can be no compromise, with Islam. It must be destroyed.

Since the muslim scum hate the joos even worse than they do me - I may as well help the joos.

Islam Delenda Est!
 

Tyrant

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Atlas_Collins said:
From the prospective of the historic US policy of support of the joos in Israel, I agree with both of you - but as I've pointed out before: I'd rather be kiked by a joo than slaughtered by a jihadi.

I fucking HATE muslim scum. They are the enemy of all non-Islam and their evil creed bluntly states that I, as a non-muslim scum, must "submit" to their filthy prophet or die.

I will never "submit" and if I have to die I will die on my feet. There can be no consensus reached - there can be no compromise, with Islam. It must be destroyed.

Since the muslim scum hate the joos even worse than they do me - I may as well help the joos.

Islam Delenda Est!
I don't see anything wrong with this point of view. I would probably share the same passionate feelings if it was a world only of Christianity and of Muslims. You're feelings aren't 'wrong' in the slightest, but have you even considered the possibility that a people as backwards as Muslims do not pose a direct threat to the West, and that the prime movers of war and intrigue, namely Israelis, benefit so much by painting a huge bull's-eye on the Middle East?
 

Atlas_Collins

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Messenger said:
... but have you even considered the possibility that a people as backwards as Muslims do not pose a direct threat to the West, and that the prime movers of war and intrigue, namely Israelis, benefit so much by painting a huge bull's-eye on the Middle East?

It is not the muslims who are backward, whether they are semitic arabs or not - it is the evil ideology of Islam that enslaves them that is the problem.

As for the joos and their machinations - it is fact that if the planet's largest oil reserves were not under the sands of the middle east we wouldn't care. Our support of Israel all these years has more to do with having a ready-base near the oil fields than with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
 

Tyrant

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Atlas_Collins said:
It is not the muslims who are backward, whether they are semitic arabs or not - it is the evil ideology of Islam that enslaves them that is the problem.

As for the joos and their machinations - it is fact that if the planet's largest oil reserves were not under the sands of the middle east we wouldn't care. Our support of Israel all these years has more to do with having a ready-base near the oil fields than with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
That's a very valid perspective. But how do you explain the enormous amount of energy AIPAC and other pro-Israeli organizations have to expend in order for the US to support Israel in the first place? There are plenty of nations who do not have to restort to warfare in order to engage in the supply and demand market of oil.

Most of the hostility from Middle Eastern countries comes from the US's unconditional support of Israel and the constant vetoing of resolutions meant to condemn its actions against innocent civilians who have been born into an 'evil religion.' While their actions might only help to sow fertile land for vengeful terrorism, it does give a perpetual casus belli for all Muslims to defend their own kind.

All of this notwithstanding, I'd like to ask you: Are you aware has to how powerful the Israeli lobby is in the United States?

For a more dramatized, or blunt, whichever you prefer, version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rD_rWcDRZQ
 

Atlas_Collins

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Messenger said:
That's a very valid perspective. But how do you explain the enormous amount of energy AIPAC and other pro-Israeli organizations have to expend in order for the US to support Israel in the first place?

For the same reason that other pressure groups exert large amounts of energy and wealth to influence legislation - because this is a free country.

Most of the hostility from Middle Eastern countries comes from the US's unconditional support of Israel and the constant vetoing of resolutions meant to condemn its actions against innocent civilians who have been born into an 'evil religion.' While their actions might only help to sow fertile land for vengeful terrorism, it does give a perpetual casus belli for all Muslims to defend their own kind.

The Jihad mentality that infects the Islamic world predates Israel and the United States. I asked you before: what does the existence of Israel and US policy as regards Israel have to do with jihad violence in places like Nigeria, Somalia, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kasmir, Thailand, the Phillipines, etc ...

Answer: nothing. Jihad violence is an inherent component of the evil ideology that is Islam.


All of this notwithstanding, I'd like to ask you: Are you aware has to how powerful the Israeli lobby is in the United States?

Yes. You might be comforted to know that I am a Buchanite who has long questioned Israel's "amen corner" in our Congress. But as I've repeatedly pointed out, Israel is a separate issue from the religious war that Islam has declared against the entire non-muslim world.
 

The Question

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Atlas_Collins said:
From the prospective of the historic US policy of support of the joos in Israel, I agree with both of you - but as I've pointed out before: I'd rather be kiked by a joo than slaughtered by a jihadi.

And why do you think the threat of being attacked by jihadists here in the U.S. arose in the first place? Our government's blind, blanket support of Zionism is what brought it down on us.

I fucking HATE muslim scum. They are the enemy of all non-Islam and their evil creed bluntly states that I, as a non-muslim scum, must "submit" to their filthy prophet or die.

And Judaism bluntly states that non-Jews are non-human, animals that exist only to be used by the "chosen people." That's no less abominable than the ragheads' creed, and -- once again -- it sets us up to be the ragheads' targets for stupidly supporting it.

Since the muslim scum hate the joos even worse than they do me - I may as well help the joos.

What the fuck for? So you can keep right on living as a target? If that's the case, you're bringing the shitstorm down on yourself and you can shut the fuck up.
 

Gurk_MacGuintey

Valhallan Ambassador
The Question said:
And why do you think the threat of being attacked by jihadists here in the U.S. arose in the first place? Our government's blind, blanket support of Zionism is what brought it down on us.

How then do you explain jihadi attacks on non-muslims in Nigeria, Chad, Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Kasmir, Nepal, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and the Phillipines.

How does all this jihad activity - muslims slaughtering their non-muslim neighbors in the name of Islam - relate to the existence of Israel and US policy toward Israel?

And Judaism bluntly states that non-Jews are non-human, animals that exist only to be used by the "chosen people." That's no less abominable than the ragheads' creed, and -- once again -- it sets us up to be the ragheads' targets for stupidly supporting it.

There is no spriptural doctrine anywhere within judaism (or christianity) that explicitly exhorts violence as a means of spreading the faith. There is in Islam.

What the fuck for? So you can keep right on living as a target? If that's the case, you're bringing the shitstorm down on yourself and you can shut the fuck up.

If you are so blinded by jew hate that you think the muslims will drop their 1,400 year old jihad against the West if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, then there's no point in debating the issue. You may as well buy one of those rags for your head and start grovelling with your face in the dirt towards Mecca five times a day.
 

The Question

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Gurk_MacGuintey said:
How then do you explain jihadi attacks on non-muslims in Nigeria, Chad, Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Kasmir, Nepal, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and the Phillipines.

Why should I explain that? Nigeria, Chad, Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Kasmir, Nepal, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and the Phillipines aren't U.S. states, so what do they have to do with jihadist attacks in the U.S.?

How does all this jihad activity - muslims slaughtering their non-muslim neighbors in the name of Islam - relate to the existence of Israel and US policy toward Israel?

Israel is their primary focus at home, and U.S. support of Israel is their primary motivation for attacks on American assets. Are you stupid?

There is no spriptural doctrine anywhere within judaism (or christianity) that explicitly exhorts violence as a means of spreading the faith. There is in Islam.

You missed out on the Old Testament, didn'tcha?

If you are so blinded by jew hate that you think the muslims will drop their 1,400 year old jihad against the West if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, then there's no point in debating the issue.

Muslim terrorists never targeted a single American asset prior to 1979. Fact.

You may as well buy one of those rags for your head and start grovelling with your face in the dirt towards Mecca five times a day.

Oh, right, back to this bullshit -- either you're a blind, stone-ignorant Judeophile tool or you're a blind, stone-ignorant jihadi sympathizer.

Once again, you're a fucking moron.
 

Gurk_MacGuintey

Valhallan Ambassador
The Question said:
Why should I explain that? Nigeria, Chad, Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Kasmir, Nepal, China, Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and the Phillipines aren't U.S. states, so what do they have to do with jihadist attacks in the U.S.?

What you utterly fail to grasp is that the motivations of jihadists derive from the universalist imperative that is built into the doctrines and tenets of Islam. The concept of "Jihad" that drives an Algerian jihadist to slit the throat of a villager he doesn't deem islamic enough is identical to the concept that motivates a Chechnyan jihadist to slaughter schoolchildren in Beslan or burn down a Serbian Orthodox church in Kosovo or kill a negro animist in Darfur or bomb a train in Mumbai or a subway in London or a pizza parlor in Tel Aviv or a skyscraper in New York.

The jihadi does not care a whit what kind of "kufir" he murders to gain his virgins, whether it's an American stock broker, an English schoolteacher, an African goatherd or a greasy hook-nosed kike in Jerusalem - all are identically infidel to the jihadi and deserving of death in the cause of Islam.

Israel is their primary focus at home, and U.S. support of Israel is their primary motivation for attacks on American assets. Are you stupid?

Again - Israel could cease to exist tomorrow and Jihad would continue. Don't you get this? You are projecting western ideas and motivations upon the muslims that do not apply.

You missed out on the Old Testament, didn'tcha?

Show me the video of jews slicing off someone's head while chanting to Yahweh?

Muslim terrorists never targeted a single American asset prior to 1979. Fact.

I enjoin you to review the history of Islam. You will note that the Jihad imperative waxes and wanes over the centuries, with periods of agressive expansion followed by periods of quiescence. The peak of the last cycle of Jihad occured in 1689 when the Turks beseiged Vienna. This peak was followed by 300 years of decline as the Ottoman Empire grew moribund and finally died.

We are witnessing the beginnings of a new cycle.

Oh, right, back to this bullshit -- either you're a blind, stone-ignorant Judeophile tool or you're a blind, stone-ignorant jihadi sympathizer.

Once again, you're a fucking moron.

It's not an either/or thing. The muslims don't care that you hate jews too. They'd kill you just as quick as they'd kill me or any jew.
 

The Question

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Gurk_MacGuintey said:
What you utterly fail to grasp is that the motivations of jihadists derive from the universalist imperative that is built into the doctrines and tenets of Islam. The concept of "Jihad" that drives an Algerian jihadist to slit the throat of a villager he doesn't deem islamic enough is identical to the concept that motivates a Chechnyan jihadist to slaughter schoolchildren in Beslan or burn down a Serbian Orthodox church in Kosovo or kill a negro animist in Darfur or bomb a train in Mumbai or a subway in London or a pizza parlor in Tel Aviv or a skyscraper in New York.

No, I grasp that just fine. What you seem to fail to grasp is how the U.S. ended up on the menu after 203 years of going unnoticed.

The jihadi does not care a whit what kind of "kufir" he murders to gain his virgins, whether it's an American stock broker, an English schoolteacher, an African goatherd or a greasy hook-nosed kike in Jerusalem - all are identically infidel to the jihadi and deserving of death in the cause of Islam.

Bullshit. There is a heirarchy among their targets. A jihadist who can take out an Israeli or a Spaniard will go for the Israeli. A Sunni insurgent who can take out an American soldier or a Shi'ite insurgent will attack the American soldier. What you see as non-discriminate attacks are the result of resources and reach, not preference.

Again - Israel could cease to exist tomorrow and Jihad would continue. Don't you get this?

We'll never know, will we?

You are projecting western ideas and motivations upon the muslims that do not apply.

I'm "projecting" logic. Israel's continuing crimes against the Palestinians continue to act as causes belli for jihadists to retaliate against Israel. American enabling of Israeli crimes against the Palestinians is the same for attacks against Americans. How much of that dynamic relies on reason rather than excuse is something you don't know any better than I do, so don't bother putting up a pretense that you do.

Show me the video of jews slicing off someone's head while chanting to Yahweh?

Read the Old Testament -- otherwise known as the Torah. Jewish society is founded on Jewish religion, which is intrinsically anti-Gentile. It's the reason they've been persecuted throughout their history; distrust engenders distrust, and atrocity excuses retaliatory atrocity.

I enjoin you to review the history of Islam. You will note that the Jihad imperative waxes and wanes over the centuries, with periods of agressive expansion followed by periods of quiescence. The peak of the last cycle of Jihad occured in 1689 when the Turks beseiged Vienna. This peak was followed by 300 years of decline as the Ottoman Empire grew moribund and finally died.

You're preaching to the choir -- Islam is mental rabies. What I'm saying, and what you seem either too stupid or stubborn to grasp, is that you treat Muslim countries like you treat a rabid dog - you either shoot it dead or stay the fuck out of its way. Israel has been a stupid little kid kicking it in the face and then barrel-assing through our house to make us its targets.

It's not an either/or thing. The muslims don't care that you hate jews too. They'd kill you just as quick as they'd kill me or any jew.

And does that make the Zionist my friend, when Zionists in my government keep drawing jihadist attention in this direction? No, it fucking does not.
 

Gurk_MacGuintey

Valhallan Ambassador
So your philosophy is to feed the alligator in the hopes that the alligator will eat you last?

That's "appeasement", Question.

The fact is that the "palestinians" who never left their homes in 1948 are today citizens of Israel with more rights and a better standard of living than any other arabs in the surrounding nations, and if the "compassionate" arabs of Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt had taken in the couple hundred thousand of their displaced "brothers" and resettled them instead of letting them languish in squalid 'refugee camps" for the last fifty years, then there wouldn't be perpetual war looming in the Levant.

But the muslim arabs didn't do that, did they? No, they USED the "refugee" problem for their own ends, didn't they? And now that couple hundred thousand has grown into a couple million because the stupid sand cupcakeer arabs breed like flies and expect the world to continue "aid" payments to feed them.

Yeah, it's a fucking mess and yeah I too resent the billions of our treasure sunk down that rathole - but the blame lays larger on the arabs in my estimation than it does on the jews.

If the "palestinians" laid down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow. If the jews laid down their weapons today, then every jew in the Levant would be driven into the sea tomorrow.

That's a fact you cannot deny.
 

The Question

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Gurk_MacGuintey said:
So your philosophy is to feed the alligator in the hopes that the alligator will eat you last?

No, my philosophy is to not poke the alligator with a fucking stick until it charges at you. Dipshit.

That's "appeasement", Question.

No, that's "minding our own fucking business."

The fact is that the "palestinians" who never left their homes in 1948 are today citizens of Israel with more rights and a better standard of living than any other arabs in the surrounding nations, and if the "compassionate" arabs of Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt had taken in the couple hundred thousand of their displaced "brothers" and resettled them instead of letting them languish in squalid 'refugee camps" for the last fifty years, then there wouldn't be perpetual war looming in the Levant.

So Israel takes their land, and all the other Arabs are the bad guys for not playing along with Israel's "resettlement" plan. Right.

But the muslim arabs didn't do that, did they? No, they USED the "refugee" problem for their own ends, didn't they? And now that couple hundred thousand has grown into a couple million because the stupid sand cupcakeer arabs breed like flies and expect the world to continue "aid" payments to feed them.

We provide "aid" to Israel, why should it be one-sided?

Yeah, it's a fucking mess and yeah I too resent the billions of our treasure sunk down that rathole - but the blame lays larger on the arabs in my estimation than it does on the jews.

Why, because the Arabs are the victims while we supply the aggressor? How does that put the blame on the Palestinians, and how does it take any blame off Israel's government, or ours? Oh, right -- it doesn't. You're probably hoping somebody would buy that crock of shit, though, aren'tcha.

If the "palestinians" laid down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow.

Right, because they'd be fucking exterminated. Lots of peace to be had in a graveyard, especially if you build high-rise condos over it.

If the jews laid down their weapons today, then every jew in the Levant would be driven into the sea tomorrow.

So you get it on that side, but not on the other. But, really, the jews wouldn't be laying down their weapons. For the most part, they'd be laying down our weapons, which is why the jihadists blame us.

That's a fact you cannot deny.

Coincidentally, it's a fact I've never tried to deny. Huh. Fancy that.
 
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