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CaptainWacky

I want to smell dark matter
I was looking at Disney+ recently and it had an image saying Alien: Romulus was coming soon. I decided I'd watch all the Alien movies leading up to that as they're all on Disney and it would be something to do. It's not exactly that I haven't watched them before: I think I watched the first one on tv many years ago and have seen parts of others (and definitely watched Prometheus when it came out), but I definitely haven't watched them properly. They were not a formative part of my chidlhood movie watching experience like they seem to have been for everyone else. So maybe I could watch them with fresh eyes and notice things and then I'd be able to watch Romulus in context, since I wanted to watch that anyway.

Plot twist: I watched the first one tonight and will post about it now!

Alien (1979) - The thing is though, I don't have anything to say that hasn't been said in the last 45 years. It's obviously a great movie. It's obviously best to have watched it BEFORE watching all the things it influenced later, to put it in its proper context. When looking at the design of the interior of the spaceship, I thought about how good it looked and how it's not that different from how a lot of science fiction stuff looks now. Of course the reason for that is because so much that came later was copying or inspired by the look of this movie. It gives it a kind of timeless feeling, like the original Star Wars, because it was inventing the look of this kind of science fiction on screen. Maybe the ony thing that's aged are the computer displays and the blinking lights. And the haircuts. But it doesn't really feel like an "old movie", other than in ways in which it's superior to a lot of today's movies.

OF COURSE everyone other than me has spent the last 45 years talking about how well it works that we hardly see the xenomorph, how much scarier it is, how the limiations of the time it was made only enhance the experience. It helps also that the alien looks so good when we actually see it. We can believe in it.

Again, it's hard to imagine what it would have been like to watch this in 1979. To totally freak out and possibly literally shit yourself when Baby Alien bursts out of John Hurt's chest. The part I found creepiest though was when Ash started freaking out, spinning around shooting cum everywhere, and had his head knocked off. I would not have been able to handle seeing that as a child. And Ian Holm is just magnificiently unsettling when he's revived as only a head (people have probably noted this before, yes!)

What impressed me most was the economy in the storytelling. There's absolutely nothing in there that doesn't need to be. No loose ends, no wasted time, no needless backstory. (I wonder if it came out today if the Youtube cunts would declare "WHERE ARE THE CHARACTER ARCS? STORY-TELLING FAILURE!" But who cares about this imagined cunts.) All of the characters feel like real people just shoved into this situation, with no over-acting or silly quips or overwrought sentimentality.

And there's a cat!

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So yes that is the best possible start to the franchise you can expect from a movie made in 1979 and I'm sure they'll get increasingly better from here!
 
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Back in Minneapolis in the 1990s there was a movie theater that did old movies. (Googled and it was torn down in 2011. :( ) They had a guest book in the lobby and you could write down requests. More than once they did a "Summer Movie Summer" and they showed "Alien" one summer. It's pretty safe to say almost everyone in the theater had seen the movie before, but everyone jumped and gasped at the scene where Dallas meets his end in the ducts. Then there was some laughter because we all felt a little silly that we all got scared by a scene we knew was about to happen, but damn, on a big screen in a dark room full of people it held up after almost 20 years.
 
Alien has got to be one of my top 5 movies of all time. I wasn't *quite* old enough to have seen it in a theater when it was released, but I did see it when it was on HBO awhile later, using my illegal HBO descrambler that my 8th grade math teacher helped me build.
 
I was way more familiar with the Spaceballs scene than the actual movie (I think I thought I didn't like "scary stuff" in the eighties and nineties when I was a kid, I don't give a fuck now) and definitely thought the chest-bursting scene actually took place in a space diner for years.
 
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Aliens (1986) - It is obviously very different from the first one. James Cameron replaces Ridley Scott as director and, rather than being a straight-up sci-fi horror, this is more an action sci-fi horror (it's one extra word but it makes a difference.) I think it's probably the right choice and history would back me up! You couldn't just make the same movie again. This one expands the scope significantly, with a shit-ton more aliens seen on screen and, thankfully, they look great and hold up well in 2025. I never once thought "haha, it's a puppet!" they way I might think with some CGI creatures in today's movies (except with the word "CGI" instead of "a puppet.") It's just much bigger in every way and I enjoy how much more of the world of these movies we get to see: the spaceships, the loader thing Ripley memorably uses in the climax, and many, many, exploding aliens.

While I said Alien has a somewhat timeless feel this is very eighties. The characters here feel like eighties' movie characters: there's a load of space marines doing stereotypical space marine stuff and pulling space marine type faces. I realise, of coures, that this movie actually invented all those space marine cliches. I'm not saying this is better or worse but it's definitely different.

Sigourney Weaver is excellent and gets to play a lot more emotions this time. Maybe if it was made today people would complain that giving Ripley an adopted daughter to love is a bit sexist or whatever, but actually it's really well done. The child actress is very good and I was very happy that they ended up together as mother and daughter in the end. Lance Henriksen is a very convincing nice robot. I'll probably make someone ANGRY by saying this but Bill Paxton did verge on being annoying at times, but I did enjoy his "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!" death.

So it's hard to say which is better out of the these first two, and I'm sure the debate has been raging for nearly forty years. I think as just a straight up movie doing what it's trying to do, the first one is purer? I liked how it just got on with things with no nonsense. This one is longer and the first half with all the marines running around doing marine stuff isn't as appealing to me as the sci-fi horror of the first movie. But then when it gets to the action scenes they're pretty great! I like how the ending mimics the first movie: you think Ripley's got away, then the main bad guy shows up for a final scare, Ripley goes off to get changed (into the loader suit here rather than a spacesuit) and kills it. Yeah, I don't know, they're both obviously very good and important films!

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Can't wait to see what these two get up to together in the next movie!
 
I watched Aliens first when I was 8 years old in Somerset, which is a very idyllic part of England and was also in the countryside where things get 50% creepier by default. I was obviously too young to watch it, but it was a different time!

I became quite obsessed with it afterward and wanted to get all the toys. I had a really cool Alien Queen toy with a mechanical switch on the back that made it swing her tail. I loved that. There was so much merchandise back in the early '90s for the films. The fact that it was an 18-rated film meant nothing to toy manufacturers back then. They would market all sorts of stuff to kids from films they shouldn't have been watching. They also made a ton of video games of varying quality, although it wasn't really until the Aliens vs Predator series that they got really good.

I didn't watch the first film until I was probably 15 years old. It is, of course, a masterpiece. The H.R. Giger design for the Alien is so iconic, and as you said, there is nothing wasted. Every scene is tight and impactful. It's just a great film. It was only a couple of weeks out from filming when they decided to make the protagonist a woman and sign Sigourney Weaver up for it, which is impressive considering how much pre-production was needed for the film. It was really late in the day when they finalized that, and clearly, it was a master-stroke decision.

Again, it's hard to imagine what it would have been like to watch this in 1979. To totally freak out and possibly literally shit yourself when Baby Alien bursts out of John Hurt's chest.

The cast didn't know what to expect. Ridley Scott, John Hurt, and the SFX guys kept the rest of the cast in the dark on exactly what was going to happen. They knew there would be a gruesome effect, but they had no clue about the mechanism or anything else, so the initial shocked reactions (obviously intermixed with their acting) are quite genuine. When Veronica Cartwright, who played Lambert, falls back in horror, that was not an acting choice. She was genuinely spooked.

Aliens as a sequel is insanely good but the decision to take it into what was essentially a completely different genre—from the straight horror of the original to the more action-adventure with horror elements of the second—is also genius (there was a lot of genius going around making these films; I'm not being redundant). Very similar to what happened between Terminator 1 and T2.

The Queen Alien is such a great fucking reveal, and leaning so hard into the maternal battle of wits and instinct is brilliantly done. Subverting expectations with Bishop helping to save the day is also great. Aliens also has one of my favourite quotes in cinema: "It was a bad call, Ripley, it was a bad call," and one of my favourite shots in cinema.

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So good. People have been debating which film is better since Aliens came out, and I really don't have a strong preference. They are both so good and so different from each other that it's a matter of what genre you are leaning more toward at the moment. Maybe that's a weak fence sitter position to take, but I adore both films and find it hard to choose which is "better"

Can't wait to see what these two get up to together in the next movie!


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^I'll reply to this tomorrow as I need to write about the third one now while I'm still angry lol.

Alien 3 (1992) -

I'ts the one directed by David Fincher when he was like 15 which he hates and has disowned. Should be good!

So obviously I'm 33 years late and I shouldn't really get upset because I knew what was going to happen anyway. And I appreciate that when this was first released it had been six years since Aliens and it probably didn't hit as hard. But for me, having watched Aliens for the first time yesterday then watching this for the first time today, to go from the sheer triumphant perfection of "get away from her, you bitch!" to Newt dying in a horrible way in the credits scene (and poor Hicks too, he was decent!) in 24 hours...

FUCK. THAT. SHIT.

I need to search tumblr for fanart of Ripley taking Newt home to meet Jonesy so I can feel better.

This movie is unrelentingly grim. Not ony do Hicks and Newt die, we get to see Newt's autopsy! The best new character (it's Charles Dance) dies halfway through! Ripley nearly gets raped! Bishop is only in one scene then he dies too! A dog dies! Then Ripley herself dies at the end (in a way that seems copied from Terminator 2?)! It's a lot.

I'm a fair man, though. While I dislike a lot of the decisions made here, and vastly prefer the first two movies for many reasons, I can admit that this is techncially a well-made movie. It looks nice, there's some cool shot composition like that bit with the Alien going right to Ridley's face that everyone posts in memes and such. The acting is good. Even in his first feature film Fincher obviosuly shows that he knows what he's doing. Charles Dance is always a pleasure to watch and his stuff with Sigourney is the best part (and I found it a lot harder to care once he was gone.) I liked the black guy. I was very amused to see Brian "Mr. Rottweiller" Glover in it and his death is was the only moment of humour (the other guy's delayed "...fuck!" response.) Lance Henriksen creates a sinister villain character in only a couple of minutes of screentime.

But the big setpiece where a bunch of bald guys I can't tell apart get chased through corridors went on way too long and the CGI alien did not look good.

So yeah this is not as good as the first two, to put it mildly.

Interested to see what the fourth movie will be about, since Ripley definitely won't be in it!
 
Alien has got to be one of my top 5 movies of all time. I wasn't *quite* old enough to have seen it in a theater when it was released, but I did see it when it was on HBO awhile later, using my illegal HBO descrambler that my 8th grade math teacher helped me build.
I saw it on about 500mcg of window pane the night it premiered in Santa Fe.

It was a completely transformative experience
 
Alien³ rules. It's a nihilistic film but it's a film about being in the worst possible situation with no hope and knowing that you still have a responsibilty to do the right thing and help others anyway. Ripley literally gets everything taken away from her - her found family, her pet, her future, her hair - and put in a situation where everyone hates her and wants to cause her harm. She tries to kill herself part way through the film (or rather she tries to get Dillion to kill her) but is told no, sorry, you can't - you have to stay on and help these people because you're the only one who can. It's only after she decends into hell itself that she then is able to end her own life on her own terms - sacrificing herself to (as far as she knows) end the species that has taken everything from her and to fuck over the corperation that has also taken everything from her.

Aliens rightly gets a lot of praise for being different to Alien but then people got mad when Alien³ wasn't a rip-off of Aliens. People wanted more shooting and explosions and cool one-liners but I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they went this way and made it it's own thing that is different from the first two entries instead of a retread. Does it go too far in some places? Yeah probably, we didn't really need the full autopsy scene of Newt or the attempted rape but they do both service a purpose in setting up just how alone Ripley is in this film.

It's got a great cast with a ton of British legends, even if they do all look alike: Charles Dance obviously, but also people like Ralph "The Whole Planet is One Big City!" Brown, Paul McGann, Pete Postlethwaite and Danny Webb.

ALSO it looks amazing. The prodiction design and cinematography is great especially in the final act when they're in the furnace. Some of the effects are a bit ropey but I don't really mind (incidentlaly the "bad CGI alien" people complain about isn't CGI, the theatrical version of Alien³ contains only one CGI shot and it's about two seconds long). The shot where the alien faces up against Ripley is iconic for a reason. ALSO ALSO the music is hauntingly beautiful and legitimatly one of my favourite scores.

Now unfortunatly you didn't watch the better version of the film - the Assembly cCut - because it's not on Disney+ for some reason but it really is a much improved version of Alien³ that fleshes out a lot of the characters which helps make them more distinct when you're following them through the rest of the film. It also has a lot more of Paul McGann's character who gets criminally underserved in the theatrical version of the film.
 
There are no "Alien" films after "Aliens".* There are no sequels to "Jaws," "Rocky," or "First Blood." OOH! Go see "Predator" and then "Predator 2" and review that. I only saw "Predator 2" once but remember it being not horrible. I'd be curious to see what someone thinks of it today. Just sad that Danny Glover didn't have Mel Gibson to help him defeat the Predator in 1999 LA.

*I may allow "Prometheus".
 
I watched Aliens first when I was 8 years old in Somerset, which is a very idyllic part of England and was also in the countryside where things get 50% creepier by default. I was obviously too young to watch it, but it was a different time!

I definitely wouldn't have been able to handle it at that age. I was probably still getting over the trauma of Transformers: The Movie at that time.

The Queen Alien is such a great fucking reveal, and leaning so hard into the maternal battle of wits and instinct is brilliantly done. Subverting expectations with Bishop helping to save the day is also great. Aliens also has one of my favourite quotes in cinema: "It was a bad call, Ripley, it was a bad call," and one of my favourite shots in cinema.

I remember you had that in your sig for years (maybe you still do: I have sigs turned off) and I finally understand the context! And Cartman saying "they mostly come at night, mostly" that time.
 
Aliens rightly gets a lot of praise for being different to Alien but then people got mad when Alien³ wasn't a rip-off of Aliens.

I'm definitely fine with it being different and I like that all the films have a different feel (and I think that continues), it's just the completely undoing the ending of the previous movie from that left a sour taste! They could have got Ripley into this situation some other way, or set it years later or something (I'm not a Hollywood screenwriter!)

But then, none of it's real anyway, it doesn't really matter. I'm sure people watch Aliens back and the ending isn't ruined for them even though they know the adorable moppet dies five minutes later. It stands on its own and you don't have to acknowledge anything outside of it if you don't want to. There's probably also people who only like Alien and refuse to acknowledge Aliens. I can watch Return of the Jedi and not have the ending ruined by my knowledge of the somehow return of Palpatine (but that's still fucking terrible.)

I'll get over it!

(incidentlaly the "bad CGI alien" people complain about isn't CGI, the theatrical version of Alien³ contains only one CGI shot and it's about two seconds long).

Yeah, literally right after I posted I Googled "Alien 3 CGI" because I thought "hang on, this was a year before Jurassic Park, maybe it wasn't CGI" (after thinking "this is a year after Terminator 2, it's probably CGI!" while watching it) and found this very informative video.



It's a shame the compositing was so bad, because the puppet actually looks really good.

It also has a lot more of Paul McGann's character who gets criminally underserved in the theatrical version of the film.

I kept thinking he was the guy who survived, then when I looked it up found it was some other guy! And like 3 of them look identical to James MacAvoy as Professor X, somehow.
 
Alien Resurrection (1997) - It's the one written by Joss Whedon and directed by a French guy. It seems to be the least liked of the movies, and I can understand why, but I didn't hate it? As a late nineties silly science fiction film it's pretty entertaining? It's no Fifth Element or anything but it's definitely not Battlefield Earth either! Sigourney Weaver is obviously having a good time playing a completely different version of Ripley. She's always been great at the physical stuff and that continues here. She has good chemistry with Winona Ryder and it's nice when they become friends late in the film. Ron Perlman is always a welcome face in these types of movies, even if he's playing a LOVABLE SEXIST who is totally a prototype Jayne Cobb. I laughed when he shot the spider. Brad Dourif is great as a crazy creepy scientist, as you'd imagine he would be.

It takes a while to get there but there's some good action: I loved the rip off of The Poseidon Adventure but with UNDERWATER ALIENS part, and when they swim and instantly get attacked by facehuggers. I kept thinking the wheelchair guy would turn out to be a robot, so I was actually surprised by the reveal Winona was one. I was thinking she would be a clone of Newt or a younger Ripley clone or Ripley's biological daughter or something, but robot is better.

There's a weird foot fetish scene for NO REASON, Ripley tries to kill a guy by squeezing him with her thighs, she says "who do I have to fuck to get off this boat?" and we see her dying clone's breasts. Is this just Joss (or the director) being a pervert or typical for the nineties? I'm thinking the latter to be honest, they were a different time.

The Man/Alien thing at the end (the real monster was man!?!?) is fucking terrible though and without looking it up I'm guessing everyone hated it. The whole thing with Ripley being its mother is just goofy and underdeveloped.

So yeah while I actually enjoyed this I can see why people would have been sick of the franchise by this point. I don't know if it's familiarity or the directing but the aliens just aren't scary here. Ripley's gone from blue collar everywoman to a clone with alien DNA and superpowers. That's a bit harder to relate to.

(I'm not watching the Alien V Predator movies, sorry.)
 
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Alien³ rules. It's a nihilistic film but it's a film about being in the worst possible situation with no hope and knowing that you still have a responsibilty to do the right thing and help others anyway. Ripley literally gets everything taken away from her - her found family, her pet, her future, her hair - and put in a situation where everyone hates her and wants to cause her harm. She tries to kill herself part way through the film (or rather she tries to get Dillion to kill her) but is told no, sorry, you can't - you have to stay on and help these people because you're the only one who can. It's only after she decends into hell itself that she then is able to end her own life on her own terms - sacrificing herself to (as far as she knows) end the species that has taken everything from her and to fuck over the corperation that has also taken everything from her.

Aliens rightly gets a lot of praise for being different to Alien but then people got mad when Alien³ wasn't a rip-off of Aliens. People wanted more shooting and explosions and cool one-liners but I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they went this way and made it it's own thing that is different from the first two entries instead of a retread. Does it go too far in some places? Yeah probably, we didn't really need the full autopsy scene of Newt or the attempted rape but they do both service a purpose in setting up just how alone Ripley is in this film.

It's got a great cast with a ton of British legends, even if they do all look alike: Charles Dance obviously, but also people like Ralph "The Whole Planet is One Big City!" Brown, Paul McGann, Pete Postlethwaite and Danny Webb.

ALSO it looks amazing. The prodiction design and cinematography is great especially in the final act when they're in the furnace. Some of the effects are a bit ropey but I don't really mind (incidentlaly the "bad CGI alien" people complain about isn't CGI, the theatrical version of Alien³ contains only one CGI shot and it's about two seconds long). The shot where the alien faces up against Ripley is iconic for a reason. ALSO ALSO the music is hauntingly beautiful and legitimatly one of my favourite scores.

Now unfortunatly you didn't watch the better version of the film - the Assembly cCut - because it's not on Disney+ for some reason but it really is a much improved version of Alien³ that fleshes out a lot of the characters which helps make them more distinct when you're following them through the rest of the film. It also has a lot more of Paul McGann's character who gets criminally underserved in the theatrical version of the film.

Obvious contrarian is obvious...

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Prometheus (2012) - Coming 15 years after the last mainline entry in the franchise, Ridley Scott returns to direct 33 years(!) after the one that started it all. I'm sure expectations were very high at the time and people who grew up loving Alien were highly invested in this. I know this resulted in a huge amount of analysis after the movie came out and lots of words written dedicated to defending the movie against the criticism it got. There's nothing wrong with this, of course! I've probably did it with things I was invested in, back when I used to care about stuff. There is interesting stuff in here and if you get enjoyment out of hyper-discussing it then that is perfectly valid. Equally it's entirely valid to just watch it as a movie and NOT want to read a million post long SomethingAwful thread explaining why all the things you didn't like were secretly good. A movie should stand on its own. I do think it's unreasonable to go in wanting it to be just another Alien movie with lots of xenomorphs and acid blood and stuff: as I receall the marketing made it clear this was something different (it doesn't even have "Alien" in the title!)

All of this feels like me setting up to say I hated the movie or something, but I didn't really. There's certainly a lot of good points: it looks great; Michael Fassbender is excellent as David, I could have watched a lot more of the sequence of him alone on the ship at the start; the part with Shaw cutting the alien baby out of herself is an excellent moment of body horror (even if it's dumb that such an advanced piece of medical coulnd't just work on all genders without being specifically configured); I like when the Engineer just gets bored of humanity's shit and rips David's head off.

But I don't think it does a good job of saying what it's trying to say. Swedish Rooney Mara does a decent acting job but I never felt much connection to Shaw and certainly not to her asshole boyfriend. I absolutely hated the two idiot scientists who got lost in the caves (and no I don't care if they're written that way ON PURPORSE, I still had to watch them and hated doing so.) Idris Elba has to speak in a terrible Texan accent for some reason. Guy Pearce is buried under some of the worst old age make-up ever seen. Charlize Theron has a few good moments with Fassbender around their sibling rivarly but ultimately feels wasted. None of the investigatory sequences are a patch on anything from Alien.

The whole prequel aspect feels like a leftover from an earlier version of the script (which, I think, it was?) and really there's not much reason this had to be a prequel. Ridley Scott seemed fall in love with Lindelof's Alien Engineers thing so why not just do a movie about that and leave out the Alien references? It feels perfucntory at the end when we get a giant facehugger and some version of the xenomorph bursting out at the very last moment as if to say "did I make it in the movie!?"

Maybe its sequel will follow up on the more intriguing parts in a rewarding way!
 
Alien: Covenant (2017) - Ridley Scott returns again with a direct sequel to Prometheus. Kind of? It keeps the same visual style, but not as impressive (it's all a bit too dark?) It picks up David and Shaw's story...but oh no, Shaw died between movies. This didn't really bother me at all like Newt and Hicks did, but I imagine some people who wanted to see Shaw's story continue were angry. The previous film ended with her setting out to discover why the engineers created humanity then decided to kill us. That's not touched on at all here. David just kills them all for a laugh. David in this movie is now just completely into creating life and nothing else (he even kills Shaw.) I feel like this doesn't quite fit how he was at the end of Prometheus, it felt like there was some hope of him and Shaw working together there. Fassbender is very good again but I find his stuff here a bit repetitive and less interesting than what he did last time.

There's some good gore and scary bits: the alien bursting out the guy's back instead of chest when it first appears was a nice twist on the familiar formula. There's some gruesome deaths if you're into that. The middle part when they're in David's house I found a bit dull. There's a religious character who keeps telling us he has faith and the movie keeps shitting on him (he gets to watch his wife burn to death, nice! Or was it the other woman lol I edited the post before being corrected) which I found a bit cruel. In the last half hour there's a big action bit which is like something from Aliens if it was made with modern techniques. It's pretty good and the CGI alien is pretty impressive (BUT NOT AS SCARY AS THE OLD ONE.) Then when they get back to the ship they do a mini version of Alien, which, again, is pretty fine for what it is, but doesn't have the time to be as good as it could have. Neither of these bits are as good as the similar sequences from the movies they take for. Of the six movies I've watched so far, this is the one that feels like it has the least identity of its own.

Daniels (Katherine Waterston) is the lead character, I guess (well acutally it's David and his nicer brother) and does well with the action stuff once we get there. The rest of the cast are fine: no one too annoying but no real standouts. In the last ten minutes it's really obvious that evil David has replaced good Walter and I kept waiting for Daniels to figure it out. But she doesn't until it's too late: the evil robot wins and presumably everyone the ship gets horribly experimented on by him. It's not all that satisfying and a direct sequel seems unlikely.

This isn't terrible or anything but I think of the six it's the one I've enjoyed the least so far and gotten the last out of. I don't feel like there's much to say about it, so post over.
 
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