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Another part of why GM is (or should) go under

Sadistic Bastard

Sadistic Bastard

No Mercy
I love my GM product. It's a Holden (GM of Australia) with a Pontiac nose, but still GM.

I have, thorough abusive driving technique and adding about 40% more power than stock, managed to burn through my clutch in 3 years. While I could try to argue the warranty for a new one, but one look at the nitrous tank and other mods would (quite correctly) make the dealer ship balk. I don't have an issue with this.

HOWEVER: I asked for a quote from the dealership for a new clutch, at my cost. $1800. I then asked if they would install an LS7 clutch and flywheel (used in the Z06 corvette, rated for 505 HP, it might survive longer even though I putting more than that through the drivetrain) since the parts list for the same cost as an LS2 clutch/flywheel. They said yes, but it would cost $2400 because it's "custom".

HA!

Cost of LS7 clutch/flywheel and pilot bearing from 3rd party (but GM authorized) parts dealer = $500 delivered. Quote from local mechanic for clutch replacement = $500, and my "custom" clutch and flywheel is a bolt-in. Or I could spend $50 on beer and have a clutch party, but to be honest I won't bother. If I had a larger garage and fewer plans on the weekends, I'd do it myself, but I'm old and decadent so I'll pay the mechanic to do it in a day so I can go leer at pix instead. Total cost for new, upgraded clutch = $1000.

And they wonder why GM dealerships can't make money on a non-warranty service division?

Idiots. I'd pay maybe a 10% premium for "factory" support. But not double or nearly so. Greed looses.

-SB
 
All GM parts and service are so inflated I don't bother with them any more. Last time I went to a dealership, I'd burned out the master fuse for my turn signals. I was on my way to my cabin and stopped at a dealership on the outskirts of the city to see if I could get it replaced quick. They wanted a 120.00 for the fuse and another 100.00 for labor because they had to remove the dash plate and pull the cowl from the steering column in order to get to the secondary fuse panel that was bolted in place over the master fuse panel.

I waited till I got home, ordered the fuse from a parts place for 50.00 and spent about 45 minutes replacing it.
 
FYI, 1998 Ford contour 322,000 miles - Original clutch
2003 Ford Focus (Police Interceptor model) 256,000 miles -Original clutch

What does this tell you?

;)
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Sarek said:
That they were built for Ford by Mitsubishi.
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Wrong on both counts. Mitsubishi builds shit for Mopar. Perhaps you were thinking of Mazda (Ford Probe), but for the last decade or so Ford has owned Mazda so even then it's still a Ford.
 
missmanners said:
FYI, 1998 Ford contour 322,000 miles - Original clutch
2003 Ford Focus (Police Interceptor model) 256,000 miles -Original clutch

What does this tell you?

;)
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A police "interceptor" with a manual tranny? Haven't heard of that since the interceptor 5.0 Mustangs.

So you drive like a girl, MM.

However:

LS2 with intake, exhaust, 1.7 to 1 rocker arms, other goodies, 100 Nos Shot, and Drag Radials, run on track occasionally, as well as autocrossed and the occasional street demonstration. Pulse daily driver in commute traffic (stop and go).

It's hard on a stock clutch. And I DID say my driving habits are abusive.

It's not that the H/W failed, that's the price you pay when you mod a car. It's the outrageous dealership prices...

-SB
 
Ancalagon said:
Wrong on both counts. Mitsubishi builds shit for Mopar. Perhaps you were thinking of Mazda (Ford Probe), but for the last decade or so Ford has owned Mazda so even then it's still a Ford.
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We'll just chalk this up to the lack of a sense of humor on your part.
 
Sadistic Bastard said:
I love my GM product. It's a Holden (GM of Australia) with a Pontiac nose, but still GM.

I have, thorough abusive driving technique and adding about 40% more power than stock, managed to burn through my clutch in 3 years. While I could try to argue the warranty for a new one, but one look at the nitrous tank and other mods would (quite correctly) make the dealer ship balk. I don't have an issue with this.

HOWEVER: I asked for a quote from the dealership for a new clutch, at my cost. $1800. I then asked if they would install an LS7 clutch and flywheel (used in the Z06 corvette, rated for 505 HP, it might survive longer even though I putting more than that through the drivetrain) since the parts list for the same cost as an LS2 clutch/flywheel. They said yes, but it would cost $2400 because it's "custom".

HA!

Cost of LS7 clutch/flywheel and pilot bearing from 3rd party (but GM authorized) parts dealer = $500 delivered. Quote from local mechanic for clutch replacement = $500, and my "custom" clutch and flywheel is a bolt-in. Or I could spend $50 on beer and have a clutch party, but to be honest I won't bother. If I had a larger garage and fewer plans on the weekends, I'd do it myself, but I'm old and decadent so I'll pay the mechanic to do it in a day so I can go leer at pix instead. Total cost for new, upgraded clutch = $1000.

And they wonder why GM dealerships can't make money on a non-warranty service division?

Idiots. I'd pay maybe a 10% premium for "factory" support. But not double or nearly so. Greed looses.

-SB
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Entire post, full of shit. Moron claims to own a 'souped-up' car, then claims he wants a fucking DEALERSHIP to install custom parts. NO ONE who has built a custom car would even consider such bullshit. They want a new clutch? They put it in themselves.

Shut the fuck up, you lying cunt. None of the above happened.
 
Mazda, Mitsubishi, whatever. I think the whole the point here was to make a funny about how the cars were Fords and if they were still running, they had to have been made by someone other than Ford. You can put your penis back in your pants. I'll concede the auto argument by admitting that I'm not that knowledgeable on vehicles. I just buy them. I pay someone else to get their hands dirty working on them. I've got better things to do.
 
Luci, Luci, Luci....

There comes a time when even if you COULD do something, you don't bother. Getting a quote from a dealership is one exercise. Getting a third party quote is another. Doing it myself? Yeah, could do it, clutches are easy, but I've done it enough that it's ALSO a pain in the ass if you don't have all of the right tools.

And I'm old, evil, and rich enough to have better things to do on my weekends. I used to like tinkering, now not so much. If I'm going to tinker, I want to do something other than a clutch install with jack-stands and a floor jack.

If you ever did it, you'd know.

(chuckle)

If anything, it is more legitimacy than a "Hey, I rebuilt my engine with a tooth-pick and an adjustable wrench". Been there, done that, don't need to do it again unless I'm short on money and long on time.

-SB
 
Yeah, calling someone else a fag would probably work better if you didn't have a dildo in your av.
 
Sarek said:
I just buy them. I pay someone else to get their hands dirty working on them. I've got better things to do.
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I love people who are proud of their ignorance, it's so cute.

I'm above knowing about cars, so I let the car salesman rip me off every couple of years and my mechanic a couple times a year. :rofl:
 
Ancalagon said:
I love people who are proud of their ignorance, it's so cute.

I'm above knowing about cars, so I let the car salesman rip me off every couple of years and my mechanic a couple times a year. :rofl:
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Well, then I guess you're the idiot.

Never been ripped off at a dealership. I may not know how to fix everything, but I deal with an old family friend when I buy. And my best friend is a mechanic. He fixes the cars, I treat him and his wife to dinner. Having chef training is good for exchanges like that. ;)
 
But I bet a good monkey wrench up the backside of your head would do wonders for moral around here.....
 
Sarek said:
And my best friend is a mechanic. He fixes the cars, I treat him and his wife to dinner. Having chef training is good for exchanges like that. ;)
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Sarek said:
I pay someone else to get their hands dirty working on them. I've got better things to do.
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So not only are you proud of your ignorance, but you're also a lying sack of shit who doesn't like it when people point it out.


Good to know.
 
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