Did a certain WF owner do a naughty while on duty??

[DarthSikle]

When a certain WF owner disappeared for a period of time, it seems that a certain law enforcement official in a certain town that starts with an "H" was being investigated for certain things that probably shouldn't have happened.

Does anyone else know anything about this? I will not provide links or any other information, just looking for clarification if I am right or not.

 

[guldulac]

:wtf:

 

[DarthSikle]

Do you know anything about this Gul?

 

[guldulac]

Nope, and so far, I'm thinking you don't either. This is classic Tamar playbook -- I know something, I'll hint at what it is, it's bad, I won't say anything else.

 

[DarthSikle]

Nope, and so far, I'm thinking you don't either. This is classic Tamar playbook -- I know something, I'll hint at what it is, it's bad, I won't say anything else.

And you, good sir, are displaying classic textbook ignorance. I am in the dark, I will allege you are making it up and hope you reveal something so I can be in the know.

 

[guldulac]

More along the lines of put up or shut up. Without the former, I'll assume you have nothing.

 

[DarthSikle]

Feel free to assume whatever you would like. You are an interesting character Gul. Claiming to upset by the current status of WF yet coming to it's and Elwood's defense whenever possible. One would almost think Elwood told you to come and over act in this fashion.

As to put up, I would never do something like that to someone online. I was just wondering whether it was a "board secret" or if anyone else was aware of it. If no one else responds, I will let the thread slowly disappear.

 

[guldulac]

It's a love hate thing for me. I don't like the governance, but I like the fools who suffer it.

 

[Friday]

By posting at Wordforge, you tacitly approve of the way the governance chooses to run the board. For all the cries of "Eliteforge!", most, if not all of you, continue to post there.

If your online friendships are important to you, create a board in which ethics are valued, and invite your cyberfriends to join. If you continue to post at WF, knowing the manner in which it was obtained, your actions will state you are okay with it.

You can't yell "Thief!" on one hand, while enjoying the fruits of the misdeed on the other. That's called hypocrisy.

 

[Summerteeth]

By posting at Wordforge, you tacitly approve of the way the governance chooses to run the board. For all the cries of "Eliteforge!", most, if not all of you, continue to post there.

If your online friendships are important to you, create a board in which ethics are valued, and invite your cyberfriends to join. If you continue to post at WF, knowing the manner in which it was obtained, your actions will state you are okay with it.

You can't yell "Thief!" on one hand, while enjoying the fruits of the misdeed on the other. That's called hypocrisy.

IMHO, hypocricy would be more a case of saying stealing a database is morally wrong and then going and stealing one yourself.

The people who are not happy with the circumstances of Elwood acquiring WF from Borgs have made a contribution to the very contents of the WF database. Therefore, I'd say they are in the strange position of actually being the 'stolen' item and have a sense of part ownership (although I don't necessarily mean legal ownership). They are not enjoying the fruits of the admin's misdeeds, rather the fruits of their own contributions which were put in existance before Elwood acquired the board.

There are more options than cutting loose -- for example, actually trying to resolve problems and making WF enjoyable again. Despite what I perceive to be dodgy decisions, I do not think the admin staff operate with horns and hooves from the firey belly of hell.

 

[Friday]

IMHO, hypocricy would be more a case of saying stealing a database is morally wrong and then going and stealing one yourself.

The people who are not happy with the circumstances of Elwood acquiring WF from Borgs have made a contribution to the very contents of the WF database. Therefore, I'd say they are in the strange position of actually being the 'stolen' item and have a sense of part ownership (although I don't necessarily mean legal ownership). They are not enjoying the fruits of the admin's misdeeds, rather the fruits of their own contributions which were put in existance before Elwood acquired the board.

There are more options than cutting loose -- for example, actually trying to resolve problems and making WF enjoyable again. Despite what I perceive to be dodgy decisions, I do not think the admin staff operate with horns and hooves from the firey belly of hell.

I respectfully disagree on all counts.

Rationalizing acts of thievery and blackmail do not make those acts legitimate. They are wrong. Period.

As for making WF enjoyable again? If one chooses to overlook the questionable ethics and actions of the staff, sure, why not. However, I personally would not want to associate with those who would put their character on the backburner for *any* reason, let alone an internet message board.

That's just a silly peccadillo that I have. :shrug:

 

[ctmelvital]

I don't think either Paladin, Clyde or Bailey have done anything wrong (yet?). :shrug:
Couldn't blame Lanzman for anything in specific either (apart from occasionally being a prick). My opinion of thelurker is well known but we'll have to agree to disagree about her - I could live with her, I guess. I never thought I'd say this but the only thing that really bothered me in all of this was Elwood's behaviour, what it said about his character and how it proved my original assumptions about him wrong. People make mistakes, that's not the problem here - none of the specific events bothered me that much but what they said about Elwood - well, I can't take that. So, while the current round of firings may have done a great deal to make the board a better place again, I personally only see it as Elwood giving in to demands so as to keep his own position. :shrug:

 

[Summerteeth]

I don't think either Paladin, Clyde or Bailey have done anything wrong (yet?). :shrug:
Couldn't blame Lanzman for anything in specific either (apart from occasionally being a prick). My opinion of thelurker is well known but we'll have to agree to disagree about her - I could live with her, I guess. I never thought I'd say this but the only thing that really bothered me in all of this was Elwood's behaviour, what it said about his character and how it proved my original assumptions about him wrong. People make mistakes, that's not the problem here - none of the specific events bothered me that much but what they said about Elwood - well, I can't take that. So, while the current round of firings may have done a great deal to make the board a better place again, I personally only see it as Elwood giving in to demands so as to keep his own position. :shrug:

Exactly -- there's no reason that Clyde, Bailey, Paladin, Lanz etc should be viewed as liars and thieves and I don't think it's right for anyone to suggest that the new admin staff should bear the brunt of the actions of those before them... they were not even involved afaik. And someone like Clyde I've always held in high regard for being downright fair and unswayable.

 

[Gonad]

I personally would not want to associate with those who would put their character on the backburner for *any* reason, let alone an internet message board.

That's funny since you are at TK. Of course I know you don't associate with each and every poster here. How do you feel about the origins and ownership of *this* board?

 

[missmanners]

That's funny since you are at TK. Of course I know you don't associate with each and every poster here. How do you feel about the origins and ownership of *this* board?

TKers usually don't pretend to be anything OTHER than dubious, shifty characters, scoundrels, liars, troublemakers, and hell raisers.

:retard:
mm

 

[Friday]

That's funny since you are at TK. Of course I know you don't associate with each and every poster here. How do you feel about the origins and ownership of *this* board?

That's a very fair question.

*Based on my personal interactions only*, I wouldn't put any real trust in anyone here.

I don't know about any illegal activity from the admins here. I dabbled in trolling a few years ago, failed miserably because of the nature of the beast, and never looked back.

TK came about because of the oppressive nature of TBBS under the auspices of Lisa. Back then I was very anti-TK, and believed most of the propaganda that was spread about it. In the past two and a half years, however, I've come to appreciate the amount of freedom I have to express myself here. I'm out of the loop when it comes to anything not posted on the board (trolling campaigns, inside info, etc), and I like it that way.

But then again, I haven't known missmanners to steal other people's property, then organize a smear campaign against them. To be honest, the behind the scenes goings-on are very nebulous to me. I'm not even sure who the admins are here, except for mm and GTC.

I just visit the board occasionally, post when I am so moved, and enjoy the people I've come to enjoy. No other investment is there for me. If TK disappeared tomorrow, I'd go, "Huh", then move on.

 

[Friday]

TKers usually don't pretend to be anything OTHER than dubious, shifty characters, scoundrels, liars, troublemakers, and hell raisers.

:retard:
mm

There's this, as well. Truth in advertising. I know exactly the type of person that this board attracts. Not necessarily bad, just on the fringe, I guess you'd say.

At WF, it isn't always (what you see is what you get".

And I haven't singled out anyone at WF (well, except for the usual suspects, and we all know who they are). I think that most people who post there are decent, but that still doesn't change the fact that by posting there, their actions say they aren't bothered by the staff's unethical behavior.

Sin of omission, in other words...

 

[Denny Crane]

Are you guys interested in WF like before anymore?

 

[Anna]

And I haven't singled out anyone at WF (well, except for the usual suspects, and we all know who they are). I think that most people who post there are decent, but that still doesn't change the fact that by posting there, their actions say they aren't bothered by the staff's unethical behavior.

And there are those that probably don't fully understand the point. Naivety isn't something I can criticize too harshly without coming off as a hypocrite, but I really can't hate them too much, just wait until they eventually see the place for what it is.

*shugs*

 

[Anna]

Are you guys interested in WF like before anymore?

Not really, no. There are a few threads of interest and I have a couple of buddies from the good ol' days of the enterprise forum there (Mainly Moulin Rouge, as Persianmouse doesn't stay too long), but they are probably the only two people from there I'd miss. The others I like post here.

Truth be told, the honeymoon was over with me since Face's unbanning, where I get labeled a troll just for having a disagreeing opinion. No prior history of "shit-stirring" besides jumping in and defending the staff just because they were the staff, and I honestly believed people dissenting a lot about a moderator action was indeed a troll. :jayzus:

Case in point, beginning with post 44. I'll still agree Ecc started that in part because Cass was the one that did it, but I wouldn't have labeled him a troll for it.