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Elitism, Eugenics, And Lifeboats

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There are Billions of people on this planet.

In "rough" terms, and for ease of later pairings, you need about 1000 breeding pairs of humans to be genetically stable enough to re-populate or colonize. You can go as low (in theory) as 16 pairs, but the risk is high and the pairings for many subsequent generations will have to be strictly controlled (no "love children").

So, lets say we get "Captain Trips" from King's "The Stand", or 2012 is suddenly proven really to be the end of the world, or there's going to be a big flood, or whatever. We have commercially available orbital spacecraft now, we have prototype Inflatable modules on orbit. NERVA (Nuclear Rockets) could be resurrected quickly, and work better than the early prototypes with all of the materials science and simulation tech developed since the 60's and they would put Mars within reach. Evacuation to space/the Moon/Mars, etc of 2000 individuals is technologically and industrially easily within TODAY's capabilities, given about 3 years warning. We can build the ships if we don't care about cost.

However, how do you pick the people? Random lot? Genetic Testing? Some other measure of success (IQ or other test, economic achievement,or academic degrees, for example?). Would you disqualify Stephen Hawking? Do you pick the "warm" colonists via some criteria but take frozen sperm/eggs from a larger sample? Do you screen for genetic disease?

And what, Fellow TK'rs, do you do if you aren't picked?

Do we send a "pure" human race to the stars? Do we take a quick chance to do a little slicing and splicing? Do we try to keep distinct "races" or blend everyone?

Food for thought...
 
Interesting topic considering the current proposal to send colonists on a one way trip to Mars now and start colonizing. The people that would be sent would be older people who are still healthy, active and strong enough to withstand the trip and start the work. These people wouldn't be coming back to earth. They would, by necessity, along with the physical qualifications, need other useful credentials in life experience and education to get the work started.

I'd go, if I qualified, if I were allowed to see what the heck that "face" is up close, if it is anything at all.
 
First in best dressed. However if you like Nascar, Michael Bay movies or Twilight, you're out.
 
Interesting topic considering the current proposal to send colonists on a one way trip to Mars now and start colonizing. The people that would be sent would be older people who are still healthy, active and strong enough to withstand the trip and start the work. These people wouldn't be coming back to earth. They would, by necessity, along with the physical qualifications, need other useful credentials in life experience and education to get the work started.

I'd go, if I qualified, if I were allowed to see what the heck that "face" is up close, if it is anything at all.

They should name that geological formation, "Marvin's Ridge."
 
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If there's any intelligent life out there, I hope they wake up and eradicate any attempt at colonization we try. Last thing we need is for the human race to start fucking up another planet and spreading our stupidity into the cosmos. We need to grow up first.
 
Maybe we would get lucky and make friends with an alien race much better than us and they could help us grow up and be better living things.
 
Maybe we would get lucky and make friends with an alien race much better than us and they could help us grow up and be better living things.

That's the popular daydream. But what if it turns out that we're the ones who are more advanced and more mature as a species?
 
If there's any intelligent life out there, I hope they wake up and eradicate any attempt at colonization we try. Last thing we need is for the human race to start fucking up another planet and spreading our stupidity into the cosmos. We need to grow up first.

Or maybe what this planet needs is to have less of us on it. Thin out the demand locally and we just may curb those seven deadly sins of ours.
 
Or maybe what this planet needs is to have less of us on it. Thin out the demand locally and we just may curb those seven deadly sins of ours.

Survival of the fittest went out with the advent of technology. Now it's survival of the most corrupt, wealthy or powerful.
 
Survival of the fittest went out with the advent of technology. Now it's survival of the most corrupt, wealthy or powerful.

Wasn't talking about "thinning out" as in "killing off." I meant, if we're spread a little thinner, across a couple planets, we wouldn't be nearly as crowded on any particular planet. Less crowding might mean less of all the crap that brings out the worst in us.
 
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