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Dual

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RIP Karl 1991-2014
I just counted, and since Sunday I've posted eight separate statuses about HR 3590. :S:
 
I did about 5 or so.

One of my friends is so left wing delusional she would make Number_6 pop a blood vessel. One of her posts on the topic:

"wow, i just don't see why we can't print more money - LOL I mean, we're dealing with fake IOU's anyway - so silly, all of this!

in the universe of universes, none of this matters. :D I'm just sayin'..."
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She needs to be bitch-slapped.
 
Ugh. If there's one thing worse than a drooling Republican partisan drone, it's a drooling Democrat partisan drone. :S:
 
Without commenting on HR 3590, I will say that your friend needs a major slap upside the head for this:
wow, i just don't see why we can't print more money - LOL I mean, we're dealing with fake IOU's anyway - so silly, all of this!
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I thought I'd be a good citizen and read the darn thing, that was before I got the PDF and saw it was 2409 pages. How in anyone supp0sed to know whats going on?

:voodoo:
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Even beyond the specific statutes of the bill (most of which I've heard are about are pretty bad, anyway) the whole thing is blatantly unconstitutional. I have so many massive problems with it on a number of different levels, ranging from the broadest and most subjective (it's not the purpose of our government, various other libertarian cries) to the very fact that even if I was in favour of a nationalised health care system, this would most definitely not be it, as a bloated mix of bloated state fascism and neofeudal corporatism locking us into effective governmental serfdom frankly scares me. If we accept the precedent that government can mandate us towards an economic activity, the very basis of the natural rights of the citizen are thrown away, and as history shows us, our lords in the state will never stop driving that power ever further. If we're going to have UHC, an actual UHC system without the feudal middleman would be so, so much better. Abolish the insurance companies if you must and institute a fully government run single-payer plan; anything is preferable to this fascist monstrosity.
 
Dual said:
Ugh. If there's one thing worse than a drooling Republican partisan drone, it's a drooling Democrat partisan drone. :S:
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I'd take a spineless and mostly harmless hippie Dingycrat over a foaming at the mouth, sociopathic, domestic terrorist from the Obstructionist party.

Christ, your country is fucked.
 
Dual said:
Even beyond the specific statutes of the bill (most of which I've heard are about are pretty bad, anyway) the whole thing is blatantly unconstitutional. I have so many massive problems with it on a number of different levels, ranging from the broadest and most subjective (it's not the purpose of our government, various other libertarian cries) to the very fact that even if I was in favour of a nationalised health care system, this would most definitely not be it, as a bloated mix of bloated state fascism and neofeudal corporatism locking us into effective governmental serfdom frankly scares me. If we accept the precedent that government can mandate us towards an economic activity, the very basis of the natural rights of the citizen are thrown away, and as history shows us, our lords in the state will never stop driving that power ever further. If we're going to have UHC, an actual UHC system without the feudal middleman would be so, so much better. Abolish the insurance companies if you must and institute a fully government run single-payer plan; anything is preferable to this fascist monstrosity.
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Oh keep going, I may steal some of this! I am so appalled at some of the comments I'm seeing elsewhere that I can't even reply. Just sit there with my mouth hanging open.

:D
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It's definitely unconstitutional, it will fail on the first lawsuit brought against it.
 
If I remember correctly, Medicare and medicade are government programs.
aren't they socialist in essence?

Isn't this new healthcare reform to replace those because Medicare is about to run out of money in a couple years?
 
Yeah, it's illegal all right, I mean NEVER in the history of our country have we been forced to pay private, for profit agencies to provide us with a service mandated by law...

except car insurance, which we've been legally forced to pay for for years and which is a government mandated necessity in the hands of private industry.

Fact is, the whole reason this issue has become a bloated public mess was the Obama camp's desire to reach across and make it a bipartisan rah rah effort. This is nowhere near the first time bills have come thru congress with endless pork barrel riders attached, nor is it the first time a bill has been shoved thru sideways. I seem to remember similar shenanigans frequently over the last several terms, and I include the Clintons in that for the sake of parity so republicans won't whine.

Our system of government has reached a logjam of such epic scale that for any sort of health care reform to pass at all is a wonder of wonders. It might be the last great act of a sitting president, and by great I mean large-scale, because everything has become so constricted and tied up we can't see the beginning or the end of the snarl any more.

But none of us are gonna die from this, and I suspect we'll find a great many benefits from it we didn't expect before long. So settle down, turn off Fox news for a minute and decompress. It ain't the end of the world no matter what the Mayans told you...
 
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