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Game of Thrones 5.10 'Mother's Mercy'

I do not remember Cersei breaking down during her walk of shame (in the books), am I remembering that wrong? It's been a long time, but I sorta remember her walking with her head held high? ALSO where the fuck is NATALIE DORMER :rwmad:

I had somehow forgotten about Jon's apparent death at the end, but once they started stabbing him I was all OH YEAH THAT HAPPENED. lol Kit Harrington has said in an interview that Jon is dead, but hopefully Melisandre will work some lord of light magic on him or some shit. Has the tv show ever even hinted that Jon can warg?

I don't understand why they left Stannis' death as a cliffhanger. I'm not dying to know if he survives or not. I hope Brienne chopped his head off after he allowed Shireen to burn... even though I had come to really liked Stannis.

Arya's part was great. I was wondering when they'd get around to blinding her.

I hope Sansa didn't hurt her bum when she landed.
 
My wife, who has a love hate relationship with this show (mostly hate, but she watches it because she knows I love it) finished the episode by saying, "Well that was bullshit... so they make you like a character then they kill them... it's that way with every character so far!! Don't like someone, they'll get stabbed in the face." I don't think we put the red witch/Jon Snow/lord of light/resurrection possibility together until about an hour later, but by then she didn't want to talk about it: "That was bullshit and I'm done talking about your bullshit dumb show that I hate. When is the next season?"
 
OKAY, so Cersei did maintain until near the end, when she couldn't take it anymore and was also hallucinating the faces of people she has harmed, and she ran for the Red Keep... SO I guess the tv show got that mostly right.
 
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING to look at some of the differences between the show and the books now that most of the show storylines have caught up with where the books are (of course there's other stories from the books that are absent from the show.) I'll divide it into thinks that are mostly the same and things that are different.

THE SAME

Yeah Cersei's stuff was pretty much the same, though they left out the guy that offered her a rat on a stick. I liked that guy. It's nice that she has FrankeGregor to carry her! Of course in the book she didn't have the power to digitally map her face on a body double...

Jon did get stabbed by his brothers in the book. The reason was different (he wanted to march on Winterfell in the book) and the book perhaps foreshadowed how he could possibly survive. But we don't know if he does survive, even book readers! So who knows, he could be dead in both, or dead in one and alive in the other.

Arya was blinded for killing someone she wasn't supposed to in the books, though it was a different someone and her story is still a bit further along in the books than in the show.

Dany's stuff was pretty much the same though she was on her own for a lot longer in the book and got ill and shat herself before the Dothraki arrived (possibly because they smelled her shit.)

Theon does jump off the walls of Winterfell with a girl but the circumstances are pretty different.

Sam does go to the Citadel with Gilly in the books (his book story is ahead of the show but of course they could skip his whole journey and just start the season with him arriving on the other side of the continent.)

DIFFERENT

We don't know what happened at Winterfell in the book. Ramsey sends a letter saying Stannis is dead but who would belive Ramsey? Of course Stannis didn't burn his daughter alive in the book so we're a bit more invested in him living.

Sansa's story is completely different in the book as has been much discussed. I don't know where Littlefinger even is in the show (he was last scene teling Olenna that he wants to introduce her to a boy or something?)

Brienne's story is so different that she's barely even the same character.

Jaime's story is completely different. Bronn isn't anywhere near him or Dorne. Myrcella is still alive in the books.

Book Ellaria is like the opposite of how she is in the show.

Tyrion is in Meereen but most certainly not in charge of the city. Ser Barristan is in charge in the books (and still alive, obviously!) Varys isn't in Meereen in the books...but is he even there in the show? MAYBE HE'S ALL IN TYRION'S HEAD.

Davos isn't at the Wall in the book.

Olly isn't in the books. Fuck Olly.

RANDOM THOUGHTS

It is weird that Margaery wasn't in it or Olenna or Littlefinger whatever he's even doing now.

Do tv Jon and Ghost even like each other?

I guess the moral of Stannis' story is that burning your daughter alive can melt snow but also raise other complications.

Brienne watched that tower for months then looked away right at the exact moment Sansa finally lit the candle lol.

This was the worst season of GOT on the whole but still had very good parts!
 
As someone who still doesn't watch faithfully, I have to ask: who is left in the main cast from season 1? Is it Dinklage and Lena, and that's it? They've killed a LOT of people over the years...
 
Tyrion, Cersei, Jaime, Dany, Jorah, Varys, Littlefinger, Sansa, Arya, Bronn, Sam, Jon (if still alive), Theon, Brann and Hodor if they ever come back...probably others.
 
Right okay now that the season's over it's a better place to judge if some of the things they did this season were actually justified or not. And mostly they weren't...

I mean, as a review I posted on a previous episode mentioned, it's really bad that Sansa went through some really terrible stuff only for it to be used to develop Theon's character, not hers. It just makes her look really weak, and totally unlike the Sansa we were seeing before she moved to Winterfell. This episode was their chance to at least give her some agency in escaping, but that all went to Theon instead.

It seems like the main thing that this season did was remove a lot of ambiguity, for the worse. One of the interesting things about Game of Thrones is that there was usually at least one sympathetic character on each side, so it was hard to know who you actually wanted to root for. While the Lannisters were mostly evil, they still had Tyrion and THE LOVELY CHARLES DANCE, so you sort of wanted them to win. A lot of the Night's Watch were assholes, but you knew they were up against something worse, so you wanted them to win.

This season has taken away a lot of that. Now the bad people are 100% horrible and bad so we know it's okay for other characters to kill them. Meryn Trant is now a woman-beating paedophile, so it's fine for Ayra to brutally murder him. Stannis killed his own daughter, so it's fine for Brienne to kill him. The show goes so over the top in making things bad (so we know it's okay for the 'good' characters to do violence towards them) that it just feels forced.

And really there's only so many times the show can do "Things are looking up OH NO WAIT THEY'RE ALL SHIT NOW FUCK YOU" before it just starts to get annoying. Like the Sansa's candle thing.

Also I thought that they didn't build up the Night's Watch dislike of Jon enough... all you got was him saying "BOY THESE GUYS SURE HATE ME"... but most of them always hated him, so it just seemed like normal I guess.


BUT THE SHOW'S STILL PRETTY GOOD THOUGH I LIKE THE CHARACTERS.
 
Yeah that's exactly what they did with Sansa and Theon. IN THE BOOK Theon rescues Sansa's friend Jeyne who Littlefinger had in his brothels after all the shit went down with Ned and the Lannisters sent her to marry Ramsey telling him it was Arya (I think Roose knows it's not Arya but doesn't care because it helps solidify his position.) So she's a pretty minor character and the story is about Theon developing a conscience and finding his own identity again after years of being tortured by Ramsey. Meanwhile Sansa's story is about learning how to play the game from Littlefinger and being able to manipulate people. The show seemed to be going that way in season four and at the start of this season Littlefinger was all "make them pay!" and suggested that Sansa marrying Ramsey would somehow help her get revenge on the Boltons. So it seemed we'd see Sansa manipulate Ramsey but we didn't get any of that at all. Sansa's character was simply merged with a minor charcter whereas Theon's arc was kept intact (if not as well executed.)

Meryn Trant not only being a paedo but also beating children was completely over the top. Maybe the idea was that he used to get turned on beating Sansa or something.

They do make the characters a bit black and white. Tyrion does some dodgy stuff in the books that's been glossed over the show (you'll see book readers call show Tyrion "Saint Tyrion" and such.) Arya is definitely another character who's been white-washed to some extent.

Jon actually sends Ser Alliser away in the book so it's more of a tragedy when the Watch betrays him because it's people who he actually liked and they cry while they do it and stuff. Also they SO heavily foreshadowed Olly betraying him that I can't believe there was anyone who didn't see it coming. Fuck Olly.

ALSO THE DORNE STUFF WAS ALL FUCKING STUPID is Jaime just going to sail home now and say "hey Cersei our daugher's dead but I promised the underused Alexander Siddig that I'd give his son a seat on the Small Council so you have to do that sorry!"?
 
You must remember this
A kiss will never miss
And after many kisses
Jamie's niece/daughter dies in the boat.
 
Everyone I know was going on about how shocking it was, but, maybe since it was hyped up for me I wasn't that surprised.

The only deaths of main characters were left pretty much as cliffhangers, so that really takes the edge off of things. I'd be very surprised if Stannis lived, but you never know. And even if Kit Harrington's symbolically cut his hair off, it seems pretty likely Melisandre will at least attempt to revive him. Particularly when she thinks she lost her one tool for controlling events.
 
Yeah, there's no point in having Mel at The Wall if she isn't going to resurrect Jon somehow. What role does she have in the show otherwise? Stannis is dead (I'm pretty sure) and she looked broken by it. Why would they even let her stay at Castle Black now anyway? If Jon doesn't come back we've got no one to watch at the Wall. Okay, Davos could join the Watch I guess but I don't see them doing "Davos hangs out with a bunch of assholes"as an ongoing storyline. Or maybe Wun-Wun becomes the main character next season.
 
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