Starship Coyote
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I Answer All Questions About LOST
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Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
WILL WE EVER GET ANY ANSWERS???
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Yes, but you have to pay attention to every single detail.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
Yes, I was just parroting the squeals from the less intelligent members of the fanbase, there. Sorry.
Now, questions...hmm. I think I'm fairly up to date on most things so far, but the screwy airing schedule makes things difficult. I'd much rather if they'd waited until January to start the new season, like 24 does. That six episode teaser was kind of lacking, and I haven't rewatched them since. Anyway, here's a question:
What was the purpose of Juliet's plea to Jack to kill Ben on the operating table? It didn't seem like that made sense given how things played out.
Now, questions...hmm. I think I'm fairly up to date on most things so far, but the screwy airing schedule makes things difficult. I'd much rather if they'd waited until January to start the new season, like 24 does. That six episode teaser was kind of lacking, and I haven't rewatched them since. Anyway, here's a question:
What was the purpose of Juliet's plea to Jack to kill Ben on the operating table? It didn't seem like that made sense given how things played out.
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
There are indications that the Others recently lived under a somewhat democratic system that changed with Ben rising to power. If Juilet is to be believed, then she wanted an accidental death so that there could be a power change.
BUT... as you pointed out, she went out of her way to save Ben on the table, when she could have easily stood by as Jack let him die. Why the change? Lots of fans are asking the same thing.
Only one thing changes between the time she shows Jack the videotape and the surgery: Kate and Sawyer escape. For some reason, their escape changes the whole game, and that's something for a future episode to explain. My current theory is that the two know too much about operations and the location of Hydra, and once they escape, Juiliet needs Ben alive since he has kept most of this gameplan to himself. So essentially, Juliet weighed her need to kill Ben against the bigger mission, and decided to wait for another opportunity.
Which she probably won't get, since Jack spilled the beans on her little insurrection, and promotional pics of a couple of episodes ahead show her tied up.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
CoyoteUgly said:
It seems more like she just wanted to go home to check on her sister. But we'll see.
Perhaps, but that seems rather contrived. There's probably more to the story of the abductions as we've seen them so far, but to date it just seems like they took Sawyer and Kate to further mindfuck Jack into performing the surgery. I'm sure there's more to it than that, since they arranged the abductions with Michael before the "sky turned purple", as Tom said. Supposedly they could have taken him to a specialist off the island before the sky turned purple? Well, that'll come later, I suppose.
Interesting. Well, she was clearly foolish to believe Ben in the first place, so we'll have to see where that whole thing goes.
Question 2: The Others clearly are not members of Dharma, at least most of them. Some (Juliet, a person with power) have been "recruited" at a later time, yet Ben says he was born on the island. Assuming he's not lying again, who are they?
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
But then we have a new question: how is Ben keeping her on the island?Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
Sawyer and Kate come as a pair, I agree. But their relationship has no meaning to the Others in regards to Jack. S/K had another reason for being there, and we'll find that out later.
Tom's statement is strange, considering that Michael and Walt left by following a particular compass bearing.
As to Ben leaving the island before the hatch explosion, I think he either can't leave or won't leave due to his involvement with things there. But see my comments below about Other factions and the Hanso Foundation.
Ben's holding some cards that haven't been revealed yet. He's got way too much power for it to be otherwise.
First, there are seperate factions of the Others. The producers have said so. I think there's an "inner circle" and an "outer circle" with the inner bunch in on everything, and the outer group serving more as hired hands. Danny Pickett was in the outer circle, but worked directly for Ben, for example.
If we factor in The Lost Experience as canon material, and it is supposed to be, then the Dharma Initiative has been given a new direction by Thomas Mittelwerk. The Others on the island may very well be a rogue group sticking to what they think is the original mission by Alvar Hanso, and that may be why Ben wouldn't leave the confines of Mystery Islands even before the hatch implosion. In a few episodes, we're slated to learn the exact relationship of the island Others to the Dharma Initiative.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
CoyoteUgly said:
It would seem that there's limited access to transportation off the island. Plus, she was essentially duped into going there in the first place. Mr. Alpert (and Fat Ethan...dude, what happened to you?) told her there would be a six month trial period or something. Obviously once she got there she wasn't allowed to leave.
Quite probably.
Unless they never really escaped. I've been hearing rumblings Michael and Walt will be back before the end of the season, but that's likely horseshit.
I'm getting the feeling Ben is in the same situation as Rose or Locke. Could leave, but may die or be disabled if he does. Or at least he thinks so. Also, if he was actually born on the island as he says, the mysterious infant injections may play a part?
Agreed. I'm not exactly sure how that heirarchy would work, but there it is. For now, though, Juliet seems to be Ben's right hand, which is odd because she's only been there since September, 2001 (3 years). She definitely outranks Tom, who seems to have been there longer. Then you have the Picketts and his ilk who are mostly guards, and the characters like Aldo who seem frightened by everything. And then the brainwashing of Karl, Cindy, etc.
Ah, see, I never caught the Lost Experience at all. I probably need to watch those sometime, if they're canon.
curiousa2z
Be patient till the last.
Coyote Ugly said:
Got to.
And thus, considering how much Juliet loves her sister, it was baffling that she would not do everything in her power to eliminate Ben if he's kept her on the island against her will for the last three years.
This was her one window of opportunity.
As second in command, she must know him well enough to know the probablity of him actually keeping his word & letting her go would be remote.
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Ok, Blondie and I talked about this today while driving around, and she brought up some points that change the way I look at the Juliet scenario:
There's a difference between coerced actions and self-motivated choices. Take cigarettes: if the government outlawed them tomorrow, then those who didn't get them off the black market would have to quit smoking. That's a coerced action and not morally good. However, if people are educated about the alledged dangers of smoking and choose to quit smoking for their own sake, then that's an informed choice and morally sound.
Follow me so far? Good. Now look at the Others and observe the Hindu/Buddhistic aspects of their lifestyle. They clearly believe in some sort of karma and dharma.
If Ben walked into Jack's cell and said "I've got your friends in cages up above us. I also have a tumor on my spine, and if you don't operate, then I'll have them killed." Jack might have done it to save Kate and Sawyer, but it would be a coerced action, and against the morality of the Others.
That's why Ben said to Jack "I want you to want to operate on me." If Jack chooses to do so, then the karma of the act goes on him and he takes the road of becoming a "good person"... if he's not already in their eyes.
On to Juliet: by asking Jack to kill Ben on the table, she's asking Jack to take on the karma of the action so that she doesn't have to kill Ben. But Jack changes the course of events by using Ben's life as a bargaining tool for the freedom of his friends and thus coerces the Others into doing his will. Since they're being coerced into acting, they no longer have control over their own karma, and Juliet must act to take control of the situation... she orders Ivan and Pickett to retrieve the couple so all points return to the starting line.
How do we know Jack won't fulfill his promise to let Ben die? Simple: Juliet told him not to do it. Through announcing that he wouldn't let a patient die, Juliet is telling him "disregard what I said; it's better for all of us if you save him" which Jack catches on and ultimately does. Note that rather wait around to see what becomes of Kate and Sawyer, he later continues with the operation and removes the tumor. Jack caught Juliet's intentions.
So why does Juliet change her mind? Because she set into motion one set of events, and Jack introduces another with no forseeable consquences, thus she must step back and re-assert control.
There's a difference between coerced actions and self-motivated choices. Take cigarettes: if the government outlawed them tomorrow, then those who didn't get them off the black market would have to quit smoking. That's a coerced action and not morally good. However, if people are educated about the alledged dangers of smoking and choose to quit smoking for their own sake, then that's an informed choice and morally sound.
Follow me so far? Good. Now look at the Others and observe the Hindu/Buddhistic aspects of their lifestyle. They clearly believe in some sort of karma and dharma.
If Ben walked into Jack's cell and said "I've got your friends in cages up above us. I also have a tumor on my spine, and if you don't operate, then I'll have them killed." Jack might have done it to save Kate and Sawyer, but it would be a coerced action, and against the morality of the Others.
That's why Ben said to Jack "I want you to want to operate on me." If Jack chooses to do so, then the karma of the act goes on him and he takes the road of becoming a "good person"... if he's not already in their eyes.
On to Juliet: by asking Jack to kill Ben on the table, she's asking Jack to take on the karma of the action so that she doesn't have to kill Ben. But Jack changes the course of events by using Ben's life as a bargaining tool for the freedom of his friends and thus coerces the Others into doing his will. Since they're being coerced into acting, they no longer have control over their own karma, and Juliet must act to take control of the situation... she orders Ivan and Pickett to retrieve the couple so all points return to the starting line.
How do we know Jack won't fulfill his promise to let Ben die? Simple: Juliet told him not to do it. Through announcing that he wouldn't let a patient die, Juliet is telling him "disregard what I said; it's better for all of us if you save him" which Jack catches on and ultimately does. Note that rather wait around to see what becomes of Kate and Sawyer, he later continues with the operation and removes the tumor. Jack caught Juliet's intentions.
So why does Juliet change her mind? Because she set into motion one set of events, and Jack introduces another with no forseeable consquences, thus she must step back and re-assert control.
DarthSikle
GFHH Moderator
The "power" of the island seemed to escape and allowed Juliet to wish a bus to hit her ex. Any explanation?
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
DarthSikle said:
Yes.
Juliet was kidding about a bus crash.
If you note the bus before Juliet comes to the curve, it advertises Apollo Candy Bars on the side. Apollo is a subsidary of the Hanso Foundation.
Therefore, the Dharma Initiative engineered the accident to release any obligations Juliet might have to her ex-husband.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
Any thoughts on the rumor that Claire's "MY BABAAAYYY" storyline may be wrapped up later this season?
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
I'm not aware of any rumors. What's the wrap up, besides maybe the baby's short sickness?
DarthSikle
GFHH Moderator
are Jack and Claire siblings?
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
DarthSikle said:
Half-siblings. Yes, I think so. Will they find out? I doubt it.
I hope they don't fuck.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
CoyoteUgly said:
Not sure, exactly.
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Hmm.
The only thing I can think of offhand that needs some more explanation is the psychic's desperation to get the child to a family in America. He did mention something about it being important who raises the child. Recall that the title of that episode was "Raised By Another." Read that title again, and you might see what's going on.
Of course, the psychic later revealed himself to be a fake who was in the habit of gathering intelligence on his clients. So who knows what's afoot there.
I had forgotten about all that, actually. Claire's little more than eyeball candy for me. I'll have to start thinking about all that again.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
Yes...I'd forgotten about it, too, mostly, but it was always in the back of my mind as one of those unanswered questions. The injections Ethan was giving Claire may figure into it somehow, along with why the kidnapping was performed in the first place.
Starship Coyote
Original Gangster!
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
Oh that's easy... the injections protect and innoculate against "the sickness." Apparently some people are already immune to the sickness. They were for the baby's own good.
The kidnapping was simply to acquire the child. Look back at every scene of the Others and their lifestyle you've seen so far... seen any small children? Why is a fertility specialist, whose shining moment is impregnating a male rat, on that island? Do you really think that was cancer on Ben's spine?