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Illegal Aliens And Crime

I believe that if they dont have a green card, then they do not share the same rights as legals, Therefore you can shoot to kill.
 
Big talk boys, big talk.

Dont see any solutions here, just some keyboard bravado.

Someone really prepared to shoot spics and go to jail whilst their relatives are paid compensation by the state and get to stay in the states for good?
 
headvoid said:
Big talk boys, big talk.

Dont see any solutions here, just some keyboard bravado.

Someone really prepared to shoot spics and go to jail whilst their relatives are paid compensation by the state and get to stay in the states for good?
Listen, shit for brains...

According to the 1st Amendment and three seperate USSC rulings, I can get on this board and talk about theoretically shooting wetbacks all I want. I can get on this board and say "I think it should be done." I can even go into detail about how I would do it if I were so inclined. What I CANNOT do is come on this board and say "I'm going to do it and this is where and when." Not only is that illegal, it's fucking stupid.

If you think for a millisecond that, if I were inclined to commit such an act as shooting Mexicans, that I would divulge details about doing it or admit to doing it or even admit to plotting to do it, you're silly. I'm not silly.

As for thinning the herd, it's an option that might be explored by a lot of people in the near future. Or it might not. Whether it is or not is not your concern, unless you're an illegal or a legal Mexican that looks illegal. Or a fed fishing.

So spare us the "put up or shut up" routine. I'm one of maybe five people of this board who has actually been in combat... I left the bodies where they lay and didn't bring them home with me then... and if theoretically I were to go spic hunting today, I wouldn't bring the heads here for you to vicariously behold.

Now get your monkey ass out of CoyoteUgly's scene.
 
I think you're putting words in my mouth.

All I see with this kind of proposition is a few dead spics (some criminals, some nasty little pieces of shit and the odd innocent) and then mass uproar, followed by a strengthening of their position and compensation for the families.

I knew the combat thing would come out from you - and sure its a real trump card in a situation like this. But you "hypothetically" shooting a few wetbacks is not exactly going to make a heap of difference is it?

My problem with this thread is not the motivation or even the suggested action behind it - it's that it provides no known solution apart from making CoyoteUgly smile broadly. It doesn't make sense for you to do it, and it isn't going to make a difference.
 
headvoid said:
I think you're putting words in my mouth.
Nope, because the first words I read out of you were:

Big talk boys, big talk.

Dont see any solutions here, just some keyboard bravado.
and that's nothing but chickenshit poking to get a reaction. Reread my post above for my opinion of that.

All I see with this kind of proposition is a few dead spics (some criminals, some nasty little pieces of shit and the odd innocent) and then mass uproar, followed by a strengthening of their position and compensation for the families.
Who said the families would escape unscathed?

This is theoretical discussion, of course, but if you're going to do a job then do it right. I don't know what you have, but I have the benefit of Ranger school, MOUT training, and combat experience. Can you conduct an ambush? A proper one? And do it so that you get away with it? What's the difference between one shot from a .30-06 and five shots from a .30-06? A few seconds? What does a human automatically do when a loud noise is heard? Duck or freeze? Either way presents a target.

I knew the combat thing would come out from you - and sure its a real trump card in a situation like this.
Yeah, it helps to know what you're talking about.

But you "hypothetically" shooting a few wetbacks is not exactly going to make a heap of difference is it?
Yes. It will. It's spelled T-E-R-R-O-R. That's a word we've heard a lot these past few years, but the definition of it is rather loose.

If one person starts doing what, IMO, should be done, within a few weeks there will be copycats. Most will get caught because they don't cover their tracks. Ol' Billy Bob will hear about it on the evening news and get an idea in his head... except Billy Bob's combat experience is limited to fighting his cousins off of a watermelon or a little deer hunting (which helps BTW... nothing like hunting in a baited area...). He'll get caught. But others will try it because by and large Americans are fucking pissed off about a tidal wave of bloodsucking, diseased wetbacks swarming over the border and demanding "their rights"... they want something done about it, but they're depending on the government to step up to the plate.

Well, the gub'ment ain't... but that's another story. Once a select crowd sees that they themselves can do something about it, some are going to try it. Some will succeed.

But it won't make any difference, you say? OK, wiseass, read a little history. Exactly 50 years ago, Eisenhower got sick of the wetbacks too, and he initiated... no kidding... "Operation Wetback." The purpose was a nationwide roundup of illegals for deportation back to our southern neighbor. Buses were used to ship them back in droves... hell, two ships were used to carry them back. All in all, within a year about 80,000 illegals were mailed back to Mexico. Here's the funny part: once the program was announced, before it even got underway...anywhere from 400,000 to 500,000 illegals voluntarily repatriated themselves back across the border. Why? Who the fuck knows or cares.

So don't tell me a little terror doesn't go a long ways.

My problem with this thread is not the motivation or even the suggested action behind it - it's that it provides no known solution apart from making CoyoteUgly smile broadly. It doesn't make sense for you to do it, and it isn't going to make a difference.
I'm going out on a limb here and guess you're an American (if you're not, then this doesn't apply and you're opinion doesn't matter): if you don't have the balls to protect yourself and your family from what the media is even saying is a growing problem... if you'd rather sit on your dead ass in your house and pray the gub'ment does something about it... if you're the type to just stoop over and sigh when your daughter/wife/sister gets gangraped by fucking shit-colored, diseased animals, then you are part of the problem.

Grow a pair of these:
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You're wrong about me being American. But it was nice talking to you. Operation Wetback did deliver what you said - so I may acceed there.

I still dont believe you would actually do it.
 
headvoid said:
You're wrong about me being American.

Good. Then it's not your fight. Count yourself lucky, unless you're from some European nation that's now overrun with trash.

But it was nice talking to you. Operation Wetback did deliver what you said - so I may acceed there.

It could work again.

I still dont believe you would actually do it.

If you're not involved, then it doesn't matter.
 
I scanned past this title real quick and thought it read Lily Allen and Crime.

I was wodering what the Queen of Chav had driven her minions to do.
 
CoyoteUgly said:
Can anyone give me a solid reason why I shouldn't start shooting wetbacks... legal or not?

Simple- you won't be able to tell the difference between illegals and legals, and if you're shooting legal citizens, there's a decent chance that they'll actually have families and occasionally money. If you start fucking with people with $, you're fucked.

If you stick to illegals, you probably won't see much of a backlash in terms of legality, because illegals and their families don't contact the police for fear of deportation, but you WILL create a lot of backlash against the nationalist ideology that you seem to be pretty into. Nationalist fucktards are already accused of racism; do you really want 'murderer' added onto the list of things that people assume about nationalists?

And we also can't forget the odd little fact that legal citizens kill more people per-capita in the US than illegals. Well, you can, because you're an idiot, but most people aren't quite that worthless, intellectually.
 
CoyoteUgly said:
According to the 1st Amendment and three seperate USSC rulings, I can get on this board and talk about theoretically shooting wetbacks all I want. I can get on this board and say "I think it should be done." I can even go into detail about how I would do it if I were so inclined. What I CANNOT do is come on this board and say "I'm going to do it and this is where and when." Not only is that illegal, it's fucking stupid.

That doesn't mean that your racist attitudes wouldn't be used against you in court as evidence. :P The first amendment doesn't mean that these expressions of your veiwpoints are inadmissable in court.
 
DemonofJuly said:
Simple- you won't be able to tell the difference between illegals and legals, and if you're shooting legal citizens, there's a decent chance that they'll actually have families and occasionally money. If you start fucking with people with $, you're fucked.

Only if I'm caught. It's rather easy to get away with murder.

If you stick to illegals, you probably won't see much of a backlash in terms of legality, because illegals and their families don't contact the police for fear of deportation, but you WILL create a lot of backlash against the nationalist ideology that you seem to be pretty into. Nationalist fucktards are already accused of racism; do you really want 'murderer' added onto the list of things that people assume about nationalists?

Backlash isn't a bad idea.

And we also can't forget the odd little fact that legal citizens kill more people per-capita in the US than illegals. Well, you can, because you're an idiot, but most people aren't quite that worthless, intellectually.

Mexicans are.

Incidentally, who the hell are you?
 
DemonofJuly said:
That doesn't mean that your racist attitudes wouldn't be used against you in court as evidence. :P The first amendment doesn't mean that these expressions of your veiwpoints are inadmissable in court.

Only if I'm arrested for something.
 
CoyoteUgly said:
According to this article:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

The number of Americans killed by illegal aliens here in the US in 2006 alone has now exceeded the number of US troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq since the war began.

Can anyone give me a solid reason why I shouldn't start shooting wetbacks... legal or not?

You won't be alone.

'Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up'
144 'Nativist Extremist' Groups Identified
By Susy Buchanan and David Holthouse

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The Groups: A Listing
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Early one Saturday morning last November, armed men on motorcycles hounded Latino immigrants into the desert around Cave Creek, Ariz., a rustic town 20 miles north of Phoenix. It was the first day of operation "Adios Illegals," a campaign to scare off immigrants at day-labor sites organized by the American Freedom Riders, a Phoenix-based motorcycle group that held its first meeting last summer and has since grown to 12 chapters in eight states. The belligerent tactics and rapid expansion of the American Freedom Riders represent a much larger lightning storm of militant xenophobia that is crashing over the county and swiftly gathering strength. The Intelligence Project has identified 144 nativist extremist groups active across 39 states in recent months. Most of these organizations — nearly 100 of them — have taken form since April 2006. Their rhetoric and their methods grow ever more extreme.
Throughout the morning in Cave Creek, the American Freedom Riders played cat and mouse with immigrants clustered on street corners and in front of convenience stores. The sight of the advancing bikers, some of whom were strapped with handguns, scared the immigrants into seeking cover in nearby dry washes. "They scattered like cockroaches in all directions," American Freedom Riders leader "Buffalo" Rick Galeener later boasted in a letter published in the Sonoran News. "They simply ran, like the criminals they are!"
In one instance, a two-ton truck flying a huge American flag roared into the parking lot of the Good Shepherd of the Hills Episcopal Church, where 20-30 Latinos were gathered at a day labor shelter provided by the church. The truck drove in tight circles around the immigrants, trailed by about 20 motorcycles. Half the immigrants fled. According to Rev. Glenn Jenks, rector at Good Shepherd, the bikers cheered and shouted, "Go back to Mexico!" Later the members of the American Freedom Riders surrounded the church, videotaping and photographing any Latinos who remained, and vowing to come back until Cave Creek is "illegal alien-free."
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American vigilantes have taken on an increasingly predatory look. Intimidation, threats and worse are now normal facts of life on the border.
Paranoia and Sniper Teams
The groups identified by the Intelligence Project as "nativist extremist" groups target people, rather than policy. They do not limit themselves to advocating, even in forceful terms, for stricter border security, tighter population control, or tougher enforcement of laws against hiring illegal immigrants. Instead, they go after the immigrants themselves.
Their strategies include vigilante border patrols; conspicuous surveillance of apartments and houses occupied by Mexicans and Central Americans; publicizing photos and home addresses of "suspected illegal aliens"; and harassment and intimidation of Latino immigrants at day-labor sites and migrant-worker camps. Their rhetoric is frequently warlike.
"An army of illegal aliens, including criminals, drug smugglers, and terrorists, is invading our country," declares the Indiana Federation for Immigration Reform and Enforcement.
"America is being destroyed by a modern version of Genghis Khan's army," according to the Emigration Party of Nevada, whose leader, Donald Pauly, has called for the Department of Homeland Security to station "sniper teams" on the border and demanded that Latino women apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol be forced to undergo sterilization so that America does not become a "Third World sewer."
Increasingly, the ideology of nativist extremist groups is shot through with paranoid conspiracy theories strongly reminiscent of the antigovernment militia movement of the 1990s.
"You need to understand that WE ARE AT WAR RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA," reads the recruiting literature of United Citizens of America, a group based in Omaha, Neb. "We are being invaded by a foreign country and we are being betrayed from within. Our government, from top to bottom, is being controlled by global elites. They have infiltrated our government at ALL levels."
According to the Minutemen Midwest, a group based in Harvard, Ill.: "There is a conspiracy afoot to merge the U.S. and Mexico. This heinous ongoing treason has been engineered by an entrenched cabal of legislators, courts, military brass, and government employees embedded at all levels of the executive branch, constituting a 'Shadow Government,' who are working to dismantle this country in plain sight."

Rogue Minutemen
Though most heavily concentrated in Arizona, California and Texas, nativist extremist groups are active in all regions of the United States. Many of the groups in non-border states are local chapters of either the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps or the Minuteman Project. These separate, competing nationwide organizations both emerged from the original month-long Minuteman "civilian border patrol" operation held in Cochise County, Ariz., in April 2005.
Combined, the local chapters of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and Minuteman Project comprise 57 of the 144 nativist extremist groups identified by the Intelligence Project. These Minuteman chapters raise money for their parent organizations and muster volunteers for vigilante border actions. Many also hold protest actions or conduct "surveillance ops" at day-labor sites in their home cities. In states where it's allowed by law, their members openly carry firearms.
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and Minuteman Project also have spawned a slew of imitators, spin-offs and splinter groups that have no official affiliation with either national Minuteman organization.
These rogue Minuteman outfits include the Antelope Valley Minutemen, whose leader, Frank Jorge, writes on his website: "We have a right, and an obligation, to defend our country, our homes, and our families not only from this invasion, but also from the very Government that is precipitating this treasonous act."
The most radical and widespread rogue Minuteman group is the so-called Minuteman of One, which consists of at least three chapters in Arizona, two in California and one in Texas. More of an extremist creed than a hierarchal organization, Minuteman of One was founded by Fred Puckett, who was expelled from the original Minuteman operation for, among other things, violating rules against openly carrying assault rifles (the original Minuteman Project restricted volunteers to handguns only).
"We don't have no by-laws, we don't have nothin'," Puckett told a Phoenix television news crew last April. "We go out in two-man teams and we hit them like we did 40 years ago in Vietnam."
Puckett has since distributed videos of himself and other Minuteman of One members displaying and shooting a small arsenal of assault rifles, ransacking vehicles, and shouting death threats at immigrants fleeing in the desert.
"Once you shoot a few of these sons of bitches, they'll think twice," Puckett says on camera.

'Go vigilantes!'
On Jan. 28 of this year, four heavily armed men wearing military-style berets and camouflage fatigues ambushed a pickup truck carrying 12 illegal immigrants in a farm field near Eloy, Ariz. The assailants shot and killed the driver and wounded one of the passengers. The survivors described the shooters as three white men and one Latino who spoke limited Spanish. The attack near Eloy occurred in the midst of a month-long flurry of similar ambushes in southern Arizona, in which six victims were killed, six were shot and wounded, and 18 were robbed at gunpoint in four separate incidents.
But the Eloy ambush stood out because it lacked any characteristics of typical borderland violence committed by bandits or rival smugglers. No one was robbed in the Eloy ambush, there were no drugs in the truck, and no one was kidnapped (rival immigrant smugglers, or "coyotes," frequently steal each other's human cargo). Also, three of the men were white, which is exceedingly rare for coyotes or border bandits.
The incident remains under investigation. No arrests have been made, and there is no hard evidence the killers were acting as anti-immigration vigilantes. Even so, Jeff Schwilk, the founder of the San Diego Minutemen, a highly active and aggressive new group that targets migrant worker camps in semi-rural canyons in Southern California, openly celebrated the murders.
"In America, we call incidents like that 'cleansing the gene pool,'" Schwilk declared in an E-mail to his group's members.
Online public forums hosted by various nativist extremist groups are rife with calls for more violence and support for the Arizona killers. "I really hope it IS pissed off Americans who are taking justice into their own hands, doing what the Border Patrol and the National Guard ARE NOT ALLOWED to do," a member of Save Our State posted to a public online forum in early February. "Go vigilantes! Where can I send a check?"

Mines and Machine Guns
Unlike the Ku Klux Klan or neo-Nazi organizations, the ideology of most Nativist extremist groups is not explicitly racist. There are exceptions.
Nine of the groups identified by the Intelligence Project as "nativist extremist" also operate as hate groups. They are listed as hate groups because they disparage all Latinos on a racial basis, regardless of immigration status, or because they plainly endorse white nationalism, sometimes prophesizing impending race war.
"Ethnic cleansings and demographic warfare are being waged against European-Americans by Mexico and its proxies in the U.S. under the cloak of protecting the 'human rights' of criminal invaders," states Rescue Without Borders, a vigilante militia based in Boulder, Colo., that is identified by the Intelligence Project as both a nativist extremist group and a hate group. "The U.S. is third on the list to end White rule after Rhodesia and South Africa. First, the globalists must create a non-White majority through illegal immigration, diversity lotteries, visas, and a guest worker (invader) program… . Political correctness and 'diversity training' are the AIDS and HIV of White nations."
While only a few nativist extremist groups deal in such unvarnished white supremacist ideology, most of them are playing a role similar to that of traditional hate groups in the raging national immigration debate. They are interjecting wacky conspiracy theories, disseminating false statistics about "criminal" immigrants and the problems they create, blaming and targeting Latino immigrants as individuals, and promoting direct intimidation, mean-spirited harassment, and even murder.
The online forum hosted by the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, the single largest nativist extremist organization in the country, with 34 chapters in 27 states, publicized several calls last November for the U.S. government to place land mines and machine gun towers on the border. One Minuteman advised other members to keep a supply of quick lime on hand to hasten the decomposition of corpses. Another summed up his policy recommendations most succinctly: "Shoot, shovel, and shut up."

Our government, and I use that term loosely, refuses to address this issue. We can look forward to a long, hot summer.
 
If defending your country when your government refuses to is 'extremist', then I see the term as complimentary, not pejorative.
 
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