Nigger Riots In Toledo

[Anubis]

(It was later reported that Louis Ratajski, 86, and his nephew, Terry Rybczynski, had barely escaped the tavern, Jim & Lou's Bar, as the blacks gathered in front pelting it with rocks and breaking the windows. They scrambled down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and later watched on television as the family home and business were burned to the ground. "I was shaking. I feared for my life." Rybczynski told the Associated Press.)

Not something you see everyday. In the Mainstream news, that is.

 

[Anubis]

A mere fourteen members of something called the "National Socialist Movement" had arranged a demonstration to take place in a park across from a small White enclave in the black sea that Toledo has become. According to Fox News, the protest was aimed at police and authorities for not doing enough to protect the community from non-White crime, specifically gang activity.

OHIO NAZI MARCH SQUASHED!
Saturday, 15 October 2005

You know things are interesting when they are being covered on the news live! Here's the deal: all HELL broke loose in Toledo! We will have more on this shortly, but the one thing we can confirm is that there was no march. The National Socialist Movement (NSM) actually fled the scene as things got raucous. Now normally when that happens, that means the police end up getting into a huge battle with the assembled counter demonstrators. Why should today be any different?

http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/


Yes, we're all very proud.

 

[Denny Crane]

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN AND AGAIN!

FUCK YOU DAMN NIGGERS!! FUCK YOUR ENTIRE EXISTENCE!!!

:kitty:

 

[The Question]

^^As long as you only mean the niggers, and not all black people.

 

[Starburn]

"I hate NAZIs."

 

[Big Dick McGee]

The irony was not lost on me at all. Laker_Girl and I were laughing about it last night.

You know what's truly funny? The niggers weren't looting or destroying property that belonged to the National Socialist who were gathered at the rally. They weren't even destroying property in a white neighborhood. No, they were burning, looting, and destroying their own neighborhoods. As several others have pointed out, the niggers in Toledo proved the Nazi's point. When left to their own devices, and gathered in large enough numbers, modern niggers will behave like out-of-control animals.

You should hear how the (black) mayor of Toledo is spinning it! He claims that black gang members secretly invited the Nazis to the neighborhood, knowing that it would be the perfect excuse to loot and destroy. Talk about spin!

Listen, unless we acknowledge the problem, we can't fix it. No amount of PC bullshit will change the fact that a very large group of blacks just rioted and burned down their neighborhood. If it were just gang members, the riot would have been easily contained. The point being, far too many niggers are just looking for an excuse to steal and destroy.

 

[The Question]

Several news sources (including Yahoo) grossly misrepresented the event, claiming that it was the Nazis who rioted. Sick. Just fucking sick.

 

[Atomic Weggie]

Can I ask you a question Cayote, why do you use the "N" word? Does it justify your anger? Does it make you feel superior? Does it cleanse your hate?

Maybe, just maybe if people like you didn't spew so much venom towards other cultures and races, those cultures and races wouldn't rail against the society that pisses on them.

Am I justifying what went on in Ohio? Of course not, even hate mongering groups like the Nazi's have the right of public demonstration.

I just don't understand the anger in your posting, makes me think your not a very happy person.

 

[Mentalist]

When it comes to individuals, yes. When it comes to cultures, no, because that's what racism really deals with -- cultures. The fact that cultures can manifest themselves across racial lines is what makes racist stereotypes fallacious -- but only if those stereotypes are regarded as absolute, and absolutely isolated to a single race.

It may deal with cultures to an extent but it also makes presumptions based on colour which is a fallacy and basically piss poor logic. So you're right that when dealing with individuals taking these racial sterotypes to heart in how you react to said person is nothing but narrow sighted and stupid. The problem arises when you lump everyone together into a culture. Afterall, a culture is made up of individuals.

Sometimes, sadly, hate of a culture is justified. For example, a hatred for Sunni culture is a form of racism that, like it or not, that culture has earned. That hatred, though, is only considered racism (by those who do and do not share it) because Sunni muslims are primarily Arabic, ethnically. The logical fallacy only comes in when we assign Sunni culture to all Arabs.

Well yes, Sunnis are as a whole bastards. But a lot of people will not or cannot make the distinction between A sunni in Iraq and a muslim student living down the road. This is something that has to be brought out into the open. Saying that blacks act in an uncivilized way in one instance and then having whites lynch American/British muslims over September 11th because they are angry and feeling righteous is just flat out wrong and decidely aniamalistic and stupid. I am not convinced that the ANP has made a disitinction between mistrust where it is validly logical to place it or just placing there own culture of hate apon an entire race/s.

I believe they usually need a more solid pretext than voicing their opinions. The closest scenario I can think of would be if a Muslim cleric were to do so publically and in the presence of a large group of supporters -- and then, an actual crime would have to be committed as a direct and demonstrable result of the rhetoric.

It seems like this is not happening though. Clerics are getting deported and sometimes held under the terroism act for spouting their hate filled rhetoric at mosques and such. I actually totally agree that these people should be dealt with but it can produce a double standard. The ANP marching against black behaviour is a fine line, they are not marching against a culture of violence and behaviour perpertrated by all people they are focusing on a race. White supremacy is a dangerous thing. People are people and they deserve to be judged on there own merits not on what racial society they are from.

No, it doesn't. But without knowing what the ANP's rhetoric on the subject is, I can only tell you that it's only a fallacy if they claim that the behavior they were criticizing applies to blacks absolutely and exclusively.

Fair point. I do not claim to know the ANP's minutia of their ideology but I can take an educated guess. We live in multicultrual nations and segregation just isn't the way. Nazis believe that whites are superior. I am white through and through but I take precedence with this. There are swaths of white unevolved fucktards that cause huge amounts of trouble, if they are not just exclusively singling out blacks as a problem then they need to make that clearer because I do not believe for a second that they make a point of making it clear to people that they see the disticntion or enforce it or look down on such view points within there members, quite the opposite.

I think that you, like me, would need to know exactly what their rhetoric is before such a value judgement is warranted. You have to know exactly what someone is saying before you can judge with any authority that what they're saying is wrong.

Perhaps, but can you tell me that they dont feed into racial profiling at all? If black communities can't behave themselves in civilised ways then I agree that we should make a point to stop them from their illegal behaviour but its when we paint everyone with the same brush. the ANP are not a very positive force, there are a lot of things to fight for in a better society and I think contingents of whites marching exclusivley against black communities rioting is dangerous and misguided. Perhaps marching against types of people that commit these acts, against murders rapists pedophiles. Inhumanity and anaimalistic behaviour is a human condition not a racial one.


As a final point I will go so far as to say that I dont personally buy into the propoganda against all the Nazis in WWII. I read the memoirs of Karl Doenitz the grand admiral of the Kriegsmarine. A Nazi, yes, but an amazing man and along with the entire Kreigsmarine especially were incredibly brave men who were not nessicarily facists whatsoever. Hitler, Himler ect were facists. The Nazi ideals are, while including many a good idea and is not exclusivley an ideology of hate does perpertrate and take a supreme right handed fist to people in its way. It also made NO personal distinctions between people and race and has to be taken account for its crimes. The regime was facist and the ANP taking on the Nazi name will have to deal with the history of a name they live and march under.

 

[Anubis]

Am I justifying what went on in Ohio? Of course not, even hate mongering groups like the Nazi's have the right of public demonstration.

Fallacy of many questions. The Nazis were protesting gang violence.

How hateful is that!! :shock:

 

[Starship Coyote]

Can I ask you a question Cayote, why do you use the "N" word? Does it justify your anger? Does it make you feel superior? Does it cleanse your hate?

Maybe, just maybe if people like you didn't spew so much venom towards other cultures and races, those cultures and races wouldn't rail against the society that pisses on them.

Am I justifying what went on in Ohio? Of course not, even hate mongering groups like the Nazi's have the right of public demonstration.

I just don't understand the anger in your posting, makes me think your not a very happy person.

Get my name right, and maybe I answer your questions.

Maybe.

 

[The Question]

It may deal with cultures to an extent but it also makes presumptions based on colour which is a fallacy and basically piss poor logic. So you're right that when dealing with individuals taking these racial sterotypes to heart in how you react to said person is nothing but narrow sighted and stupid. The problem arises when you lump everyone together into a culture. Afterall, a culture is made up of individuals.

Yes, it is -- but it's made up of individuals who share a language -- you couldn't have a culture without that, because those individuals wouldn't be able to communicate with each other otherwise. It's made up of individuals who, very often share some measure of their ancestry -- that measure is falling, of course, due to global travel and migration, but it is still there. It's made up of individuals who share certain beliefs and attitudes -- you couldn't have a culture without that, because those individuals wouldn't be willing to communicate with each other otherwise. These shared beliefs and attitudes influence the way those individuals will behave, toward fellow members of their culture and toward outsiders. It is most often how individuals behave toward outsiders, based on the shared beliefs of their culture, that creates racist stereotypes. And although individuals can adhere to the shared beliefs of their culture to a lesser degree or a greater, those cultural commonalities are not fiction -- they're not figments in the imaginations of those who dislike or hate them.

Well yes, Sunnis are as a whole bastards. But a lot of people will not or cannot make the distinction between A sunni in Iraq and a muslim student living down the road. This is something that has to be brought out into the open. Saying that blacks act in an uncivilized way in one instance and then having whites lynch American/British muslims over September 11th because they are angry and feeling righteous is just flat out wrong and decidely aniamalistic and stupid.

Both are examples of the fallacy I already identified -- but it is also a fallacy to judge that because a thing can be misapplied, it cannot be correctly applied.

I am not convinced that the ANP has made a disitinction between mistrust where it is validly logical to place it or just placing there own culture of hate apon an entire race/s.

Then, as I pointed out before, it behooves you to examine their rhetoric, and come to an informed conclusion.

It seems like this is not happening though. Clerics are getting deported and sometimes held under the terroism act for spouting their hate filled rhetoric at mosques and such.

If their rhetoric isn't causing a demonstrable and direct material harm to anyone, then such a practice is wrong.

I actually totally agree that these people should be dealt with but it can produce a double standard. The ANP marching against black behaviour is a fine line, they are not marching against a culture of violence and behaviour perpertrated by all people they are focusing on a race.

That's not entirely true -- they were specifically protesting police ineptitude in dealing with gang violence.

White supremacy is a dangerous thing. People are people and they deserve to be judged on there own merits not on what racial society they are from.

That's true -- and if Black racists and racists within other minorities held such an enlightened view, only fools would defend white racism. Unfortunately, it's simply not that way.

Fair point. I do not claim to know the ANP's minutia of their ideology but I can take an educated guess. We live in multicultrual nations and segregation just isn't the way.

There are many prominent minority figures who disagree with you, actually.

Nazis believe that whites are superior. I am white through and through but I take precedence with this. There are swaths of white unevolved fucktards that cause huge amounts of trouble,

I can describe two varieties off the top of my head -- whites who emulate black gang member culture (otherwise known as "whiggers") and the sort of rebelling idiots who take up racism without understanding at all the justifications for it.

if they are not just exclusively singling out blacks as a problem then they need to make that clearer because I do not believe for a second that they make a point of making it clear to people that they see the disticntion or enforce it or look down on such view points within there members, quite the opposite.

But what are you basing that conclusion on? Have you examined any of their doctrine? Or are you passing judgement based only on the word "Nazi" and the associated hyperbole surrounding it?

Perhaps, but can you tell me that they dont feed into racial profiling at all? If black communities can't behave themselves in civilised ways then I agree that we should make a point to stop them from their illegal behaviour but its when we paint everyone with the same brush.

Precisely as I've said.

the ANP are not a very positive force, there are a lot of things to fight for in a better society and I think contingents of whites marching exclusivley against black communities rioting is dangerous and misguided.

I don't agree -- racism for non-whites is accepted, sometimes encouraged. In the interests of fairness alone, white racists should be painted with no more negative a brush than black racists, hispanic racists, Jewish racists, Asian racists, Arabic racists, or any other variety.

Perhaps marching against types of people that commit these acts, against murders rapists pedophiles. Inhumanity and anaimalistic behaviour is a human condition not a racial one.

Except that those persons do tend to fall into distinctive racial categories.

As a final point I will go so far as to say that I dont personally buy into the propoganda against all the Nazis in WWII. I read the memoirs of Karl Doenitz the grand admiral of the Kriegsmarine. A Nazi, yes, but an amazing man and along with the entire Kreigsmarine especially were incredibly brave men who were not nessicarily facists whatsoever. Hitler, Himler ect were facists. The Nazi ideals are, while including many a good idea and is not exclusivley an ideology of hate does perpertrate and take a supreme right handed fist to people in its way. It also made NO personal distinctions between people and race and has to be taken account for its crimes. The regime was facist and the ANP taking on the Nazi name will have to deal with the history of a name they live and march under.

And in my opinion, they acquitted themselves admirably. They committed no crimes, inflicted no harm on anyone -- as a matter of fact, they weren't even permitted to hold their march, as is their First Amendment right under Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly clauses. They could have protested that with absolute justification, but they didn't. They chose to comply with the police, and allowed themselves to be escorted out of the area -- this was before the gang members who did the rioting arrived, mind you. They didn't flee -- they obeyed the law, to the letter and to the last.

And yes, there are men to be admired from the Wehrmacht -- I consider Erwin Rommel, the "Desert Fox" to have been quite a heroic figure, and a genius tactician.

 

[Atomic Weggie]

Get my name right, and maybe I answer your questions.

Maybe.

Sorry, we have a person in our group named Cayote, so it's habit. BTW, I don't care if you answer my questions, I'm pretty sure I know the answers anyway. Blah, blah, blah, special treatment, blah blah, politcal correctness, blah, lazy, blah, blah, reverse racism, blah, blah.

 

[The Question]

You know 'em well enough to blah 'em, but do you really understand 'em?

 

[Atomic Weggie]

Fallacy of many questions. The Nazis were protesting gang violence.

How hateful is that!! :shock:

Their protest may have been about gang violence, but their entire organization stands for division and hate. BTW, they were protesting BLACK gang violence, not white, asian, mexican gang violence. Although something tells me they would have embraced any other racial gang violence in the process.

 

[Atomic Weggie]

You know 'em well enough to blah 'em, but do you really understand 'em?

It's hard to filter through all the hate when trying to understand Coyote. Does anyone have a racist to english translation guide handy?

Coyote could have presented the article for discussion without the rhetoric. I am an open person, but when someone uses the "N" word liberally, it's hard to take them seriously.

 

[The Question]

It's hard to filter through all the hate when trying to understand Coyote. Does anyone have a racist to english translation guide handy?

Which version? There are lots of dialects of racist, you know.

Coyote could have presented the article for discussion without the rhetoric. I am an open person, but when someone uses the "N" word liberally, it's hard to take them seriously.

Mayhap you didn't notice the sign over the front door.

 

[Mandi]

Rule # 1- Don't take anything seriously here, you'll just hurt your head.

 

[The Question]

Their protest may have been about gang violence, but their entire organization stands for division and hate.

Really? How do you know that?

BTW, they were protesting BLACK gang violence, not white, asian, mexican gang violence.

I must have missed all the white and mexican rioters in the video.

 

[Anubis]

Their protest may have been about gang violence, but their entire organization stands for division and hate.

Division? People divide because they often prefer to be around people who resemble themselves.

Hate? Ever think that some aspects stem from a love for their own people?

BTW, they were protesting BLACK gang violence, not white, asian, mexican gang violence.

Maybe because white, asian, or mexican gang violence wasn't as big a problem there?

White gang violence?

The differences are even greater for multiple-offender interracial crimes, with blacks 100 to 250 times more likely to be involved in gang attacks on whites than the reverse.

Of the total of 490,266 acts of multiple-offender interracial violence, no fewer than 93.9 percent were committed by blacks against whites. Robbery, for which there is a monetary motive, accounted for fewer than one third of these crimes. The rest were gang assaults, including rapes, presumably for motives other than profit.

http://www.amren.com/color.pdf

Although something tells me they would have embraced any other racial gang violence in the process.

Could you rephrase that? I'm not sure what you mean by "embraced."