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Nothing is relative

Conchaga

Let's fuck some shit up
It's true. As I mentioned before, if people think interpretation of facts is up to the person who is percieving such facts, nothing can ever be identified as being true. In such a case, everything would be 100% contradictory.

The phrase 'everything is relative' is akin to the phrase 'nothing is absolute'. Both of which are contradictions in terms. They are both absolute statements. They defeat themselves without anyone having to make a second argument.

I digress, allow me to use an excerpt from Leonard Peikoff's book Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand.

"People disagree about axioms," we often hear. "What is self-evident to one may not be self-evident to another. How then can a man know that his axioms are objectively true? How can he ever be sure he is right?"

This argument starts by accepting the concept of "disagreement," which it uses to challenge the objectivity of any axioms, including existence, consciousness, and identity. The following condensed dialogue suggests one strategy by which to reveal the argument's contradictions. The strategy begins with A, the defender of axioms, purporting to reject outright the concept of "disagreement."

A. "Your objection to the self-evident has no validity. There is no such thing as disagreement. People agree about everything."
B. "That's absurd. People disagree constantly, about all kinds of things."
A. "How can they? There's nothing to disagree about, no subject matter. After all, nothing exists."
B. "Nonsense. All kinds of things exist. You know that as well as I do."
A. "That's one. You must accept the existence axiom even to utter the term 'disagreement.' But, to continue, I still claim that disagreement is unreal. How can people disagree, since they are unconscious beings who are unable to hold ideas at all?"
B. "Of course people hold ideas. They are conscious beings - you know that."
A. "There's another axiom. But even so, why is disagreement about ideas a problem? Why should it suggest that one or more of the parties is mistaken? Perhaps all of the people who disagree about the very same point are equally, objectively right."
B. "That's impossible. If two ideas contradict each other, they can't both be right. Contradictions can't exist in reality. After all, things are what they are. A is A."

Existence, consciousness, identity are presupposed by every statement and by every concept, including that of "disagreement." (They are presupposed even by invalid concepts such as "ghost" or "analytic" truth.) In the act of voicing his objection, therefore, the objector has conceded the case. In any act of challenging or denying the three axioms, a man reaffirms them, no matter what the particular content of his challenge. The axioms are invulerable.

You were saying, Grammour Boy?
 
That's cute. How many Wikipedia articles did you dig through and now believe that you are intelligent?:gagh:
 
Imperium said:
That's cute. How many Wikipedia articles did you dig through and now believe that you are intelligent?:gagh:

None. I pulled that book off the shelf. Gimme a min and I'll get you a pic.
 
I went to objectivist meetings in Boston when I was a kid. Peikoff's a poseur, a spokesperson for those who thought Rand was simply a "Commie" thus enabling them to dismiss her more easily.

Her stuff was pretty intense for the period, you fucking kids haven't a clue, actually.
 
The Question said:
TQ agrees with the idea you quoted because it makes sense. Go ahead and finish your thought, though. ;)

I was gonna say, "I don't know," because we don't interact that much. So, I really don't know.
 
jack said:
I went to objectivist meetings in Boston when I was a kid. Peikoff's a poseur, a spokesperson for those who thought Rand was simply a "Commie" thus enabling them to dismiss her more easily.

Her stuff was pretty intense for the period, you fucking kids haven't a clue, actually.

Other than her heritage, how would one confuse her for being a Commie?

Actually, her stuff is still intense. Bring up objectivism to anyone who's not an Aristotelian and you'll catch a TON of flack.
 
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