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Please tell me we are NOT going to get involved in Lybia

Consumer

Consumer

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Hasn't the US learned enough?

Let the EU do it.

With Japan out of commission and using less Oil, we don't need Mummar's.
 
"JDAM" bomb - GBU31 (probably the cheapest kind we'd drop) = $70,000 each
Sidewinder AAM - again the cheapest AAM we'd use = $85,000 each.

So, figure the following (and this does not count cost of maintenance of the jet, the carrier, or the pay of the pilots and maintenance people):

Fuel JP-8 (jet fuel on Carriers, similar to JP-5) = $4 a gallon.
(internal plus external tanks on an F-18 D ) = 30,000 lbs (6.75 lbs per gal) = 4,444 gal per aircraft = $17,777 per aircraft per mission.
Plus 2 sidewinders = $170,000.
Plus 4 JDAM's = $280,000
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$ 467,000 PER AIRCRAFT PER MISSION. And as I said, I'm not including a lot of other costs that would probably more than triple this number.

I simply don't see a return on investment, much less all of the costs of dealing with the new crop of suicide bombers this will create and other political headaches.

Anyone else think this is a bad idea?
 
Yeah. There's no fixing that part of the world. Let it burn, and protect our allies if they're attacked. That should be the extent of it.
 
The Arab League and the National Transitional Council have both explicitly asked for UN intervention. The NYT says the Arab League has offered to head the military action, but, knowing both the Times and the Arab League, that probably means they just got a quorum together to agree that "wouldn't it be nice if..."

The diplomatic rewards have the potential to be pretty decent, especially since Saudi Arabia may be breaking off butt-buddy relations with us over the Bahrain thing.

We could still pretty easily fuck things up, but at least this time we can blame everybody else and the fact that she was asking for it, it's not our fault the hot penetrative action got out of hand.
 
You Americans are whining, yet my government is sending these to the region?:

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Do excuse me, but I need to go write my MP, have him tell my government to 'fuck off!' No way am I paying to send those shit planes to fuck a bunch of Arabs up their assholes. I don't give a fuck if Gaddafi personally skullfucks every single rebel, shoves an AK-47 up their assholes, and pulls the trigger. Who gives a shit? Fuck 'em!
 
FBI parte due said:
The Arab League and the National Transitional Council have both explicitly asked for UN intervention. The NYT says the Arab League has offered to head the military action, but, knowing both the Times and the Arab League, that probably means they just got a quorum together to agree that "wouldn't it be nice if..."

The diplomatic rewards have the potential to be pretty decent, especially since Saudi Arabia may be breaking off butt-buddy relations with us over the Bahrain thing.

We could still pretty easily fuck things up, but at least this time we can blame everybody else and the fact that she was asking for it, it's not our fault the hot penetrative action got out of hand.
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'Twould not surprise me in the slightest if it was in fact the fucking Americans who started this mess in the first place, via covert activities.
 
The German Confederation was actually less of a "state" than the Holy Roman Empire was, and the Sudetenland was part of that as part of the Kingdom of Bohemia.

I'm interested in what you mean by the 1806 thing, though, since the German Empire didn't even exist until 1871.
 
Consumer said:
Please tell me we are NOT going to get involved in Lybia
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Ok, we are not getting involved in Libya.

Now that you've heard what you want to hear, we're getting ready to lob a few Tomahawk missiles into Libya and there's a Navy battle group off the coast. But we're not getting involved. ;)
 
Sarek said:
Don't forget to send the model glue and paint as well. The kids will never forgive you if you send them models but forget the glue and paints.
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Oh, so you Americans do not build very good fighter/ground-attack craft? I guess you had better dock all of your carriers yes? After all, Hornets are the mainstay of your naval fleet. As you are American, then I must take you at your word that American fighters are shit.
 
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