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SaintLucifer Proven Correct! Never Fight Alongside Americans!

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SaintLucifer

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I have, in many, many forums, decried Americans for their tendency to kill their allies via friendly-fire incidents. I have posted proof to this effect too - past and present. I have stated both a British and Canadian desire not to fight alongside American soldiers. They value their own lives too much. Upon having watched this evenings news, I have discovered more wounded Canadian soldiers are coming back home, Canadian soldiers wounded at the hands of the Americans via friendly-fire incidents. I should now like to hear what you American bitches have to say for yourselves. Once again, I prove myself correct whilst the typical American coward proves himself to be nothing more than a fucking coward. Since Canadian soldiers were killed in these friendly-fire incidens, this would suggest the Americans were behind and above us (US Air Force). Only cowards fight from such positions. Below, I have provided proof the Americans are cowards who kill their allies via friendly-fire incidents:

Americans kill Canadian soldiers. Story #1
Americans kill Canadian soldiers. Story #2
Americans kill Canadian soldiers. Story #3
Americans kill Canadian soldiers. Story #4

Friendly fire that killed Canadian was 'freak accident': major
Last Updated: Monday, September 4, 2006 | 7:25 PM ET
CBC News

Two U.S. aircraft mistakenly fired on a Canadian platoon taking part in NATO's massive anti-Taliban operation in southern Afghanistan on Monday, killing one soldier and injuring dozens of others.

The soldier who was killed was identified by the Canadian military on Monday evening as Pte. Mark Anthony Graham. In all, 32 Canadian soldiers have died since the mission to Afghanistan began in 2002. A Canadian diplomat was also killed.

The incident occurred at about 5:30 a.m. local time when two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts, operating under NATO command, responded to a call for support from soldiers trying to take a Taliban stronghold west of Kandahar along the Arghandab River.

Maj. Geoff Abthorpe — who commands Bravo Company, part of Canada's 2,200-strong contribution to the NATO force in Afghanistan — called the incident "a freak accident."
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Canadian soldiers killed, wounded by U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts' "friendly fire"

September 4, 2006

A Canadian soldier, Pte. Mark Anthony Graham of Hamilton, Ontario, was killed and more than 30 were wounded, five seriously, in Afghanistan today in an incident being described as "friendly fire".

The Canadian soldiers came under cannon fire from NATO airplanes, reported to be two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts, also known as the Warthog.

Brigadier-General David Fraser, the Canadian commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force in southern Afghanistan said an investigation has been ordered; "An aircraft flying in support of ISAF operations accidentally engaged a Canadian position in Panjwaii at approximately 5:30 this morning, killing one soldier and wounding a number of others. An investigation has been ordered into this event and while this event is tragic, Operation Medusa and the Canadians continue to operate in the Panjwaii district in support of Afghan government efforts to rid the area of Taliban."

"We've got to find out what were the details there." said Fraser. "We do have procedures, we do have communications, we do have training and tactics and techniques and procedures to mitigate the risk, but we can't reduce those risks to zero."

Four Canadian soldiers were killed in a 2002 "friendly fire" incident when they were bombed by an American F-16 fighter plane.
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U.S.: Friendly fire pilot reported being fired upon
Initial permission to drop bomb was denied, officials say

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A U.S. fighter pilot involved in a "friendly fire" incident that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan dropped a laser-guided bomb after his commanders denied permission to do so, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Another eight Canadians were wounded in the incident early Thursday near Kandahar when the U.S. jet dropped a 500-pound bomb on them during a training mission, U.S. and Canadian military officials said.

U.S. officials said the F-16 pilot made an initial report to his commanders that he and another F-16 had taken enemy ground fire, and he was given permission to mark the target and return for a second look.

During the subsequent fly-over, the pilot requested permission to drop his weapon. A Pentagon official said his superiors denied permission unless the pilot felt he would be acting in self-defense. At that point, the pilot again reported ground fire, invoked his right of self-defense and dropped the laser-guided bomb, military officials said.

Canadian fatalities
Four members of the Canadian armed forces were killed in a "friendly fire" incident nine miles south of Kandahar.

# Sgt. Marc D. Leger, 29, of Lancaster, Ontario

# Cpl. Ainsworth Dyer, 25, of Montreal, Quebec

# Pvt. Richard A. Green, 22, of Edmonton, Alberta

# Pvt. Nathan Smith, 27, of Tatamagouche, Nova Scotia

In a statement Thursday, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had discussed the incident with Canadian Defense Minister Art Eggleton and "assured him that Gen. Tommy Franks and his Central Command staff will work closely with the Canadian representatives in Tampa to investigate the causes of this tragic accident."

At a news conference in Ottawa, Canadian chief of staff Gen. Ray Henault said details of the incident remained to be determined. "But certainly, my understanding is that there was no hostile activity in the area that would have created this incident," he said.

Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien offered a statement of regret to the House of Commons on Thursday.

"If words cannot console this loss, they also cannot fully express the pride that all Canadians have felt on the exemplary way (Canadian forces) have carried out their duty," Chretien said. "There are so many questions. ... How has this happened? I want to assure the families and the people of Canada that these questions will be answered."

The Canadian soldiers were part of the 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group. They have been in Afghanistan since late January as part of Operation Apollo, Canada's military commitment to the campaign against terrorism, according to the Canadian Defense Ministry.
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Wounded Canadian soldiers return home

Several Canadian soldiers injured this week in Afghanistan arrived in Ottawa Friday evening.

A Canadian Forces Airbus transported the 11 Canadian soldiers, who either sustained injuries from battle with the Taliban or during a friendly-fire incident. They were scheduled to be taken to the Civic Hospital in Ottawa.

The soldiers had been recuperating at a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany.

The long-term prognosis for Pte. Michael Spence, wounded in the friendly fire incident on Monday "is not yet clear," his parents said Friday.

Spence, of Russell, Ont., "has moved his fingers and toes and has even attempted to speak to the doctors," Rick and Christina Spence said in a statement.

"We are very optimistic at this point, however we do realize that Michael has a long road of recovery ahead of him and it is not yet clear what the long-term prognosis is for our son. We can only hope and pray that he continues to recover well. He is young and very strong, and that will bode well for him."
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Fucking American bitches. I say we contact our soldiers in Kandahar and tell them to start fighting the Taliban from behind the Americans for once, rather than always in the front. Let's kill a few Americans. The only difference would be the fact we Canadians can actually shoot (Canadian soldiers considered best shots on earth - set every sniper record on the planet).

 
Well, friendly fire deaths suck. And only an asshat moron like Luci would use it as an excuse to start lambasting all American fighting men and women. Lets face it, the ratio of American to Canadian soldiers is a 1000 to 1 over there and any form of combat situation can confuse a person and make them less aware of everything going on around them. Same with dropped ordinance. Once it leaves, you have very little time or opportunity to change things. If someone gets in the way or you make a mistake in your calculations, shits going to happen.

My sympathies to your countrymen Luci. It's my hope that if it was negligence, the people responsible be brought to justice.

It also bears noting that while Luci is correct in the fact that a Canadian soldier holds the world record for distance, they do not hold every world record for sniper competitions. And the world record distance, at least from the records I have available, was achieved by a Canadian sniper and was a confirmed kill from 2,430 meters.

The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, in July of 2002, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 meters, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.

And, the Canadian soldier was using American made ammunition. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 meters. The U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster."

So fuck you Luci.
 
It also bears noting that the Canadian soldier and the Canadian military cannot or would not confirm the distance. It was an American soldier that provided the confirmation.

It was also the Canadian soldiers second shot that killed the individual. The first shot took out a bag that the individual was carrying in his hand. So while he may hold the distance record, he failed to take out the individual with his first shot. I went through sniper school twice. Once for the Army and took a refresher course when I went back into the Air Force. There's a reason they call it "one shot, one kill". The idea is to take them out with the first shot and get the hell out before a counter sniper tags your ass. ;)
 
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