The Cost of Illegal Immigrants

[Mandi]

In 2003, according to the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles, 57,600 cars were stolen in Phoenix. It is now the car-jacking capital of the world. Most were SUV's and pickup trucks. At a conservative average of $15,000.00 per vehicle, owner losses exceeded $864 million. Insurance companies in the state suffered incredible claims from policyholders.

Worse, how would you like to walk out of your home or business to see your car gone? Imagine the hassle, violation of your hard work and disrespect for your well being.

Where did those vehicles go? Who stole them? Take a guess. Arizona is the temporary home of 500,000 illegal aliens. They cost Arizona taxpayers over $1 billion annually in services for schools, medical care, welfare anchor babies, loss of tax base and prisons. Illegals use those vehicles for smuggling more people and drugs from around the world into our country. When the vehicles are recovered, they are smashed-up wrecks in the desert. If not found, they have new owners south of the border as thieves drive the cars through the desert and into Mexico as easily as you drive your kids to soccer practice. THAT's how porous our borders are!

The chilling costs of illegal migration reach like an octopus into every aspect of our lives. Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs.

Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.

Not only do your kids not have jobs; you're paying taxes for illegal aliens who are not paying taxes.

Annually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good. In addition, our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year. It is a war that hasn't been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970.

When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisonsnot to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainmentthey enjoy while being incarcerated.

Is your blood boiling at this point? How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That's your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.

If you haven't had a heart attack by now, you'll need Tums after this figure. The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs.

With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)

How about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year?

That's after their kids enjoyed free education, free lunches and free medical care paid for by you. Mexico receives $15 billion annually from its worker drones. No wonder Vicente Fox sent us 9.2 million illegal alien Mexicans so far.

The lifetime net fiscal draintaxes paid minus services usedfor an adult immigrant is $55,200.00 according to Carrying Capacity Network.Who makes that money up? You do! Your work! Your taxes!

With a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student. Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. Do the math! Ready for another anvil dropped on your toe fact? You paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003.

An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, BUT four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Who is Texas? You, the taxpayer, that's who! Because you, in your state, pay commensurate medical care according to your illegal alien population. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. In the same year, Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. What is it in your state?

What are the consequences? One in two adult African-Americans in New York is unemployed. African-American children's poverty grew by 50 percent since 1999. Why? Their dads can't find work.

It costs you, the taxpayer, $68 billion a year JUST to pay for the resettlement of legal immigrants.

Fellow Americans, we are $7.384 trillion in debt as of November 1, 2004. This year's budget deficit exceeds $413 billion. Our trade deficit stands at $400 billion. Our consumer debt exceeds $2 trillion and our average credit card carries an $8,000.00 balance. Our U.S. government borrows $1.6 billion daily from foreign banks, just to stay afloat. Have you ever heard of the Titanic? We are taking on heavy immigration numbers while we're being financially bled to death. Are we in trouble or what?

Who brings this fiscal nightmare into America? Take a guess. The majority of your Congress! President George W. Bush himself! Tom Ridge, who won't guard our borders from this invasion, but gets his orders from Bush! Illegals are arriving at over 4,000 per night according to Time Magazine, September 12, 2004, "Who Left the Door Open?" I quote, "That total of illegal aliens flooding into the United States this year will total three million - enough to fill 22,000 737 Boeing airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year. "Don't you think with that many illegals crossing nightly that anyone with a brain would send troops to our border to protect from an invasion? Since we just re-elected the same Congress and president, you can expect more of the same.

You can count on your corporations devouring cheap labor as they send you to the unemployment lines. Additionally, they pay PAC groups to keep senators and congressmen in their back pocket. How do I know? Only 22 companies in 2003 were taken to court for hiring illegal aliens. None went to jail. However, it's a $10,000.00 fine per illegal alien hired and up to five years in prison. You would think that would deter corporations. Not when they've bought off enforcement!

Who else figures in this grand scheme? Your governors and mayors who provide sanctuary laws for illegal aliens! Mayor Bloomberg of New York City.

Governor Baldacci of Maine! Governor Bill Owens of Colorado! Mayor Hickenlooper of Denver! Mayor of Los Angeles! Mayor of San Francisco! Mayor of Chicago! Mayor of Miami! How do I know? All those cities and dozens more give sanctuary to illegal aliens with Special Order 40.

Illegals remain in our country with exemption from arrestyet, they are federal criminals!

Can you blame millions of desperate people for coming illegally to America? Hardly! Do you think they will stop coming since the world adds 80 million annually of poor, hopeless people from war torn, ravaged and impoverished Third World countries?

Not a chance! This is the land of free milk and honey. As long as our leaders allow the invasion and not enough Americans speak up, you can expect 12 million more illegal aliens in the next four years. Who pays for this invasion of your country? You do!


Discuss!
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[Mentalist]

llegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year

Thats because they are willing to work harder for less money. If every company is checked up on more and made sure to be paying minimum wage to everyone then there will be no incentive to hire these people over regular citizens.

 

[WordInterrupted]

If every company is checked up on more and made sure to be paying minimum wage to everyone then there will be no incentive to hire these people over regular citizens.

...and it would be much easier to check up on them if they were all legal. The solution to this problem is to legalize immigrants from Latin America and enforce minimum wage laws, not spend a bijillion dollars on boarder security.

 

[The Question]

Alternatively, if companies from national corporations to the little mom-and-pops receive random physical audits of number of heads counted vs. number of employees on the books, and are fined in the hundreds of thousands for employing illegals each and every time illegals are discovered, that might be an even more effective solution. Companies are employing them to pad the coffers -- so hit 'em in the coffers for doing it, and they might just stop.

 

[Mandi]

...and it would be much easier to check up on them if they were all legal. The solution to this problem is to legalize immigrants from Latin America and enforce minimum wage laws, not spend a bijillion dollars on boarder security.

I disagree, I say we block off the border. Don't let them in. Let the Americans have the jobs in America. Why should we let them in our country, what good are they doing us? None, we're just wasting our tax dollars on their welfare. If we didn't let them in, we'd have less crime, more jobs, and our tax monies going to the American people instead of illegals who don't pay taxes, and will never try to get a job.

And after that, enforce the minimum wage laws.

 

[WordInterrupted]

Alternatively, if companies from national corporations to the little mom-and-pops receive random physical audits of number of heads counted vs. number of employees on the books, and are fined in the hundreds of thousands for employing illegals each and every time illegals are discovered, that might be an even more effective solution.

Fining employers for hiring illegal immigrants is tricky because how do you know the employer knew they were illegal?

 

[The Question]

...and it would be much easier to check up on them if they were all legal.

It's just as easy to check up on those who aren't legal, by comparing number of employees to number of claimed employees. Those who show up to work but don't show up in the books mean the employer loses $100k a head, every time. For a mom-and-pop, that can mean going out of business.

Unfair? Hardly. Grade A deterrent from damaging the American economy by sending American dollars out of the economy? Damn straight.

 

[The Question]

Fining employers for hiring illegal immigrants is tricky because how do you know the employer knew they were illegal?

Not at all -- because when hundreds of thousands of dollars per infraction are on the line, I guarantee employers would become vigilant about it -- it would be in their direct and immediate best interest to do so.

 

[The Question]

Plus, see third line in my sig -- Mexico is violating a longstanding treaty with us by encouraging illegal occupation of our country.

 

[Mandi]

Alternatively, if companies from national corporations to the little mom-and-pops receive random physical audits of number of heads counted vs. number of employees on the books, and are fined in the hundreds of thousands for employing illegals each and every time illegals are discovered, that might be an even more effective solution. Companies are employing them to pad the coffers -- so hit 'em in the coffers for doing it, and they might just stop.

I agree, for those that are already in the country. While we're getting the ones that are already in the country, stop new ones from coming in by closing the borders. Because no matter how many you kick out of the country a day, 4,000 more are coming in that night.

 

[WordInterrupted]

I disagree, I say we block off the border. Don't let them in. Let the Americans have the jobs in America. Why should we let them in our country, what good are they doing us? None, we're just wasting our tax dollars on their welfare. If we didn't let them in, we'd have less crime, more jobs, and our tax monies going to the American people instead of illegals who don't pay taxes, and will never try to get a job.

Immigrants are people just like we are. I don't think someone born in Mexico or Guatemala has any more or less of a right to earn a living than someone born in the U.S.

Militarizing the boarder would cost billions upon billions of dollars a year--you would spend much more money on the tens of thousands of boarder agents it would take to seal the boarder than you would save on social services. The most cost effective way to raise wages is to enforce minimum wage laws. Sealing off the boarder isn't about saving money, it's about keeping out the brown people. It's about keeping the nation white and "racially pure."

 

[Mandi]

Immigrants are people just like we are. I don't think someone born in Mexico or Guatemala has any more or less of a right to earn a living than someone born in the U.S.

Militarizing the boarder would cost billions upon billions of dollars a year--you would spend much more money on the tens of thousands of boarder agents it would take to seal the boarder than you would save on social services. The most cost effective way to raise wages is to enforce minimum wage laws. Sealing off the boarder isn't about saving money, it's about keeping out the brown people. It's not about fiscal policy, it's about racial politics.

It's not about racial politics at all. It's about how they come into OUR country, steal OUR property, and use OUR tax dollars to live off of welfare the rest of their life. Yes they deserve a right to earn a living. That's what a green card and a passport is for. Anyone coming from another country has to have those things, so why shouldn't they?

 

[WordInterrupted]

Not at all -- because when hundreds of thousands of dollars per infraction are on the line, I guarantee employers would become vigilant about it -- it would be in their direct and immediate best interest to do so.

First of all, many illegal immigrants are on the books. It's not difficult to get fake ID's and fake SSN's. If an illegal employee is on the books, it's difficult to tell whether the employer knew whether they were illegal. Second, people who hire day laborers for contruction or agriculture often operate in the cash economy and don't even keep books. Third, doing a physical head count is not easy. If an employer is hiring illegal immigrants, all they have to do is post a lookout and tell the illegal employees to duck out the back when they see the immigration officials show up. There are just too many ways to avoid fines for them to be effective.

 

[WordInterrupted]

It's not about racial politics at all. It's about how they come into OUR country, steal OUR property, and use OUR tax dollars to live off of welfare the rest of their life. Yes they deserve a right to earn a living. That's what a green card and a passport is for. Anyone coming from another country has to have those things, so why shouldn't they?

They should have green cards, but they can't get them because we impose a quota on how many green cards we give out each year. If we abolish the quota, it would be easy to give them all green cards. People wouldn't risk death in the desert if we would give them green cards.

 

[Mandi]

First of all, many illegal immigrants are on the books. It's not difficult to get fake ID's and fake SSN's. If an illegal employee is on the books, it's difficult to tell whether the employer knew whether they were illegal. Second, people who hire day laborers for contruction or agriculture often operate in the cash economy and don't even keep books. Third, doing a physical head count is not easy. If an employer is hiring illegal immigrants, all they have to do is post a lookout and tell the illegal employees to duck out the back when they see the immigration officials show up. There are just too many ways to avoid fines for them to be effective.

While that is true, at least there would be some kind of crack down on those that employ illegals. Which is alot more than we can say for our country now. Since our government seems to be on the "we have to help everybody" kick.

 

[Mandi]

They should have green cards, but they can't get them because we impose a quota on how many green cards we give out each year. If we abolish the quota, it would be easy to give them all green cards. People wouldn't risk death in the desert if we would give them green cards.

Why do you think we have this quota? So we can control how many we let in a year. If we abolished the quota, we might be letting in millions legally every year. Then our country would be move overrun then it already is.

 

[Mentalist]

Gotta go with Wordin on this one.

I disagree, I say we block off the border. Don't let them in. Let the Americans have the jobs in America. Why should we let them in our country, what good are they doing us? None, we're just wasting our tax dollars on their welfare. If we didn't let them in,
And after that, enforce the minimum wage laws.

That costs money, lots of it. Its also incredibly hard to implement successfully. The fact is if you enforce minimum wage laws then there is NO reason to hire them over regular American citizens.

we'd have less crime, more jobs, and our tax monies going to the American people instead of illegals who don't pay taxes, and will never try to get a job.

Once again, you can solve the problem with common sense, not everything takes brute force. It's too obvious to behold, what point is there to hire immigrants if they cost the same? Exactly, none. And hell, if they work harder then they deserve the fucking job more, to be honest. Life is about putting the effort in. Closing borders and becoming xenophobic is just stupid to the extreme.

Remember you didn't win some special race when you were born in America, it just happened to be. In another life it would be you trying to get a better life. Its always about taking the smart route not the barbwire and border patrol shotgun route. IF the smart route is those things then so be it but not in this situation.

 

[Mandi]

While I can see the no need for brute force. For me it's not all about jobs. It's about the violence. We have enough violence of our own from citizens without them adding to it.

 

[WordInterrupted]

While that is true, at least there would be some kind of crack down on those that employ illegals. Which is alot more than we can say for our country now. Since our government seems to be on the "we have to help everybody" kick.

There already are fines for knowingly hiring an illegal immigrant--they were part of the 1985 immigration act. They obviously haven't been very effective.

Why do you think we have this quota? So we can control how many we let in a year. If we abolished the quota, we might be letting in millions legally every year. Then our country would be move overrun then it already is.

I don't understand what you want to acheive. First you say that you want to save tax dollars, but then you say you want to seal off the boarder--which would cost more tax dollars than it would save. What good do we serve by throwing tons of money at boarder security?

 

[Mentalist]

While I can see the no need for brute force. For me it's not all about jobs. It's about the violence. We have enough violence of our own from citizens without them adding to it.

Oh, I agree with that. In England we have Immigrants who blag three bedroom houses and two family cars all paid by the goverment. I get 63 pound housing benefit before they calculate the reductions from how much I earn. Seeing as the cheapest accommodation is around 450 pounds a month before council tax, electricity, water rates, ect.. I'm screwed living in my home town. Its sick.

At least you don't have the French pointing the way to the Channel Tunnel for hundreds of illegal immigrants just to get them out of France.


But the fact remains, Americans overeact and start ot get freaked out and then you have talks about militarizing the entire border. It just doesn't work.


And Wordin its "Border" without the "a", sorry, its petty, but its the 50th time you have misspelt it, it was annoying me.