Troll Kingdom

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

THE HOLOCAUST CONTROVERSY

Miss Irma Grese

New member
Is asking questions a crime?

If you develop doubts about the Holocaust, isn’t the only way to get rid of these doubts by asking questions?

A lot of individuals and groups are enraged by those who ask critical questions about the Holocaust. These doubters, who call themselves Revisionists, are often defamed as "Holocaust deniers."

Every other historical issue is debated as a matter of course, but influential pressure groups have made the Holocaust story an exception. Anyone should be encouraged to investigate critically the Holocaust story in the same way they are encouraged to investigate every other historical event. This is not a radical point of view. The culture of critique was developed millennia ago by Greek philosophers like Socrates, and was renewed centuries ago during the Enlightenment.
 
No one says it's a radical point of view to question anything.

Like all black people are descended from slaves here in America, so they should all get reparations, don't you think?
 
I'm not sure why this is all predicated at the Holocaust story. It sounds like you're predisposed to it, frankly.

The proper way to initiate a discussion about the Holocaust would not be to introduce as a negative the possibility it didn't happen. That's an insult to those it actually happened to, and is disrespectful to starting such discourse.

Are you actually interested in discussing what happened? Or is your hate simply the butter and the keyboard your knife? Because whether or not at happened isn't even germane to any discussion about it.

That may be why you're having trouble getting any traction or sympathy for your "point".
 
Revisionists agree with establishment historians that the German National Socialist State singled out the Jewish people for special and cruel treatment. In addition to viewing Jews in the framework of traditional anti-Semitism, the National Socialists also saw them as being an influential force behind international communism and behind the so-called international "finance capital," which they held responsible for the worldwide economic crisis and for the impoverishment of German workers. During World War II, Jews were considered to be enemies of the German State and a potential danger to its war efforts, much like the Germans, Italians, and Japanese were viewed in the U.S. Consequently, Jews were stripped of their rights, forced to live in ghettos, conscripted for labor, deprived of their property, deported, and otherwise mistreated. Many tragically perished.

In contrast to establishment historians, Revisionists claim that the German State had NO policy to exterminate the Jewish people (or anyone else) in homicidal gas chambers or by killing them through abuse or neglect. Revisionists also maintain that the figure of six million Jewish deaths is an irresponsible exaggeration, and that no execution gas chambers existed in any camp in Europe which was under German control. Fumigation gas chambers, both stationary and mobile, did exist to delouse clothing and equipment to prevent disease at POW, labor, and concentration camps and at the fighting front. It is highly likely that it was from this lifesaving procedure that the myth of extermination gas chambers emerged.

Revisionists generally hold that the Allied governments, and in particular the Soviets, decided to carry their wartime "black propaganda" of German monstrosities over into the postwar period. This was done for essentially three reasons. 1. The Allies felt it necessary to continue to justify the great sacrifices that were made in fighting two world wars. 2. The Allies wanted to divert attention from, and to justify, their own particularly brutal crimes against humanity. Soviet atrocities alone caused the death of uncounted millions of civilians in the Soviet Union and in all countries of eastern and central Europe. American and British saturation bombings of German and Japanese cities causing over a million civilians to be burned or buried alive. 3. The Allies needed justification for postwar arrangements involving the total dismantling of German industry, a policy of starvation causing the deaths of many millions of German civilians, the robbing of German patents worth trillions of dollars, and the annexation of large parts of Germany into Poland and the USSR. These territories were not disputed borderlands but consisted of 20% of the entire German territory. The twelve million Germans living in these regions were robbed of their property and brutally expelled. More than two millions perished during this most heinous ethnic cleansing of world history.

During the war, and in the postwar era as well, Zionist organizations became deeply involved in creating and spreading Holocaust stories. Their purpose was to drum up world sympathy and support for Jewish causes, especially for the creation of the State of Israel. Today, the Holocaust story, which is perceived as a crime of a right-wing regime, plays an important role for leftist-internationalist groups, for Zionist organizations, and for groups within Jewish communities. It is the leaders of these political and propaganda organizations who continue to work to sustain the orthodox Holocaust legend and the myth of German monstrosity during World War II.

Those who claim that these interpretations are anti-Jewish are reading into them something which simply is not there. Revisionists do not claim that Jewish leaders or organizations did anything in the war and postwar era which the Allied Governments themselves did not do.

For those who believe that the Nuremberg Trials revealed the truth about German war crimes, it is a terrible shock to discover that the then Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone, described the Nuremberg court as "a high-grade lynching party" for Germans.
 
Use your words, not someone elses.

You do have some that are your's don't you?
 
The Photographs

Corpses.jpg


We’ve all seen "The Photographs." Endlessly. Newsreel photos taken by U.S. and British photographers at the liberation of the German camps, and especially the awful scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen. For instance, look at the one at the top of this post. These photos and films are usually presented in a way in which it is either stated or implied that the scenes resulted from deliberate German policies. The photographs are real, but their interpretation is false.

Even mainstream historians admit that there was no German policy at any of those camps to kill the internees. In the last months of the war, while Soviet armies were invading Germany from the east, British and U.S. bombers were destroying every major city in Germany with saturation bombing. Transportation, the food distribution system, medical, and sanitation services all broke down. That was the purpose of these air raids, which was the most barbaric form of warfare in Europe since the Mongol invasion.

Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring into central and western Germany. As a result of the ongoing war, of starvation, and epidemics, millions of civilians were dying all over Germany. The camps were not exempted from this tragedy. Camps that were still under German control were overcrowded with internees evacuated from the east. By early 1945, these inmates suffered from malnutrition and epidemics like typhus and cholera, to which many succumbed. When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. soldiers, they found the results of that. They took "The Photographs."

Still, at camps such as Buchenwald, Dachau, and Bergen-Belsen tens of thousands of relatively healthy internees were liberated. They were there in the camps when "The Photographs" were taken. There are newsreels of these internees walking through the camp streets laughing and talking. Others picture exuberant internees throwing their caps in the air and cheering their liberators. It is only natural to ask why you haven’t seen those particular films and photos while you’ve seen the others hundreds of times.
 
Did you know they could gas 4400 peeps a day in the 11 chambers! A fucking marvel of efficiency, compared to the crematoria. That's why those mass graves started popping up. Only because they were that good at it.
 
jack said:
Did you know they could gas 4400 peeps a day in the 11 chambers! A fucking marvel of efficiency, compared to the crematoria. That's why those mass graves started popping up. Only because they were that good at it.

In 1990, the Auschwitz State Museum revised the old propaganda claim of four million murdered humans down to one million—base not upon facts, but upon estimates! In 1994, a French scholar reduced this figure further down to less than 700,000, and in 2002, another mainstream Holocaust scholar reduced the Auschwitz death toll to 500,000—again not based on facts, but on "estimates."

The Auschwitz Museum has put on display piles of hair, boots, and eyeglasses, etc., but there is neither evidence for the origin of these items nor for the fate of their former owners. While such displays are effective propaganda, they are worthless as historical artifacts.

In a videotaped interview, the Auschwitz Museum authorities admitted that the gas chamber shown to tourists is a "reconstruction," again not based on facts, but only on unverified eyewitness claims. The Museum’s tourist guides, however, tell visitors that all they see is genuine…

Whereas some mainstream scholars claim that the Auschwitz crematories, whose morgues supposedly served as gas chambers, were the "absolute center" in the "geography of atrocities," other mainstream scholars claim that the mass murder did not take place in those crematories, but elsewhere. Revisionist, however, want certainty, not speculations and estimates.
 
Ask me if I give a fuck what the stupid "museum" parrots. They don't know shit, in fact they probably are on your side in some twisted fucking way.

Anyone that would enshrine Auschwitz like some kind of museum under the idea that we should never forget is beyond clueless.
 
How many died exactly?​

holocaust4.gif

"Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years of 1940 and 1945"

holocaust5.gif

"Forever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women, and children, mainly jews from various countries of Europe, Auschwitz-Birkenam, 1940-1945"



FIRST IMAGE: This was the plaque on display at the Auschwitz camp until 1989: note the "4 million" victims.

SECOND IMAGE: This is the plaque currently on display at Auschwitz (2002) - note the suddenly reduced number of victims to 1.5 million.
 
Wow, this has never been discussed on TK before. At least The Question tried to argue his own points without cutting-and-pasting, even if he was deluded.
 
During and after the First World War, that is between 1916 and the late 1920s, mainly American Jewish organizations were claiming that six million Jews(!) would suffer terribly in poverty stricken Eastern Europe. In this context, it was claimed that eastern European Jewry would face a Holocaust if they did not receive massive funding. With such propaganda, millions of dollars were raised in the United States, which at the end were mainly used to finance the Soviet revolution in Russia.

On 22 March 1916, that is during the First World War, the British newspaper The Daily Telegraph published an article falsely claiming that the Germans had murdered 700,000 Serbs in gas chambers. On 25 May 1942, that is during the Second World War, the same newspaper reported that the Germans had murdered 700,000 Jews in Poland in gas chambers.

How can we tell that the second story is true, if we know that the first is a lie? In 1944, the British Government asked the British media and churches to help spread anti-German propaganda, which it had been putting out already for a while, in order to distract from the atrocities it expected to be committed by the Soviets as soon as they invade Germany. In its circular, the British government expressed its regret that, after the exposure of WWI propaganda lies, greater efforts would be necessary to succeed this time.
 
Miss Irma Grese said:
During and after the First World War, that is between 1916 and the late 1920s, mainly American Jewish organizations were claiming that six million Jews(!) would suffer terribly in poverty stricken Eastern Europe.

Let's see the inprint quotes that prefabricate the lie, Miss Belsen. The "mainly Jewish" organizations. Dates ties, actual copies of the news articles (as in proof)

Denial often results from distortion, which in your case is going to kill your argument.

Now answer this question. What about the 9 million Hollerith Punchcards, still neatly organized and available for public display?
 
jack said:
No one says it's a radical point of view to question anything.

Like all black people are descended from slaves here in America, so they should all get reparations, don't you think?

Nope. If you didn't get stolen from, you don't get compensated for what didn't get stolen from you. I say reparations for those who were slaves before Abolition is fine. Dig 'em up and pay 'em. By check.
 
I've actually argued better debaters than Jack to a stock still stalemate with this troll, on not one, not two but THREE different boards. Now if our latest half-inspired jackass character troll had bothered to even so much as search the word 'Holocaust' in the handy-dandy button we have up top, 'she' would have already known that and not bothered.

Worthless fuckin' kids, can't even be bothered to do their homework before jumping in with a troll these days...
 
Top