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The Offical Story of 9/11? Or something else perhaps.

Mentalist

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I want to get an idea of how many people have researched the goings on of 9/11 and what their opinions on that tragic day are:

I am firmly in the MIHOP camp now "Made it Happen On Purpose" but only after EXTENSIVE research on the matter and pouring through doucuments, offical news stories, alternative news stories, researching False Flag operations throughout history and the goverments willingness to put offical reccomendations forward like Project Northwood and Tonkin Bay.

9/11 was a false flag operation. The evidence is overwhelming.


People who have far less foresight than most dismiss such mutterings as wild conspiracy theories.


Well a theory is a summation of events without any evidence. We have evidence. A lot of it. The plausibility of it NOT being a False Flag operation holds way less credibility.


The amount of descrepanicies evident on that day are incredible. And if one part of the offical story is innacurate then the whole house of cards falls down.


Able Danger offically recognizing Mohammed Atta back in 2000 and having orders recinded and blocked to pass information on to the FBI about him.


NORAD standing down for nearly 2 hours while planes slammed into buildings unhindered.


More war game drills were going on during 9/11 than in any other day in AMERICAN HISTORY.

And coincidentally they were drilling for events of planes slamming into the WTC's.

Doubt my word for it? This is the offical word, it's not conspiracy. Why was NORAD not scrambled from St Andrews Air Base which is twelve Miles from the White House?


Why were the bulk of the air defence in America on drill ops causing them to leave the entire country under the defence of 14 military planes? And why the confusion with whether it was real world or excersise from the pilots in said planes? Perhaps because they were allready taking part in a drill that was the exact same events that were going on in RL.


What the hell happened to WTC7?


It just fell in 6 second free fall from a few small fires? This is a vast steel building. They don't just collapse. Actually no skyscraper has EVER collapsed from fire in the history of mankind. Until 9/11 apparently.

And Larry Silverstien makes that abundently clear when he says in a VIDEO INTERVIEW (go google it you lazy bastards) that they pulled WTC7.

You can't pull a building with a snap of your fingers. It takes weeks to set up the explosives. So how did they pull WTC7?


What about the flashes the split second the buildings hit the Twin Towers? Haven't seen them? Look at the footage again and slow it down and you will see yourself.


How did the Twin Towers collapse? The super structure inside was graded steel. It does not dice itself into pieces the size of my hand. If a pancake effect has occured then we would not have seen Gallileos law of falling bodies in action. But we did. Thermite reactions were clearly seen pouring out of parts of the WTC's and explosives are clear to see as the building collapses.


And what about the HUNDREDS of reports of secondary explosions and bombs going off after the planes had hit from reporters, police, firefighters and civilians?

Why did George Bush say he had seen the first plane hit when no video had been released of this even as he went into the School?

Why did he stay for over half an hour after being told the second plane had hit? Why did the CIA fail to protect the President and drag him if neccesary to saftey as the largest terrorist attack in history was underway and the President was sitting with a bunch of children in a scheduled public event?

Why were so many department heads stopped from flying to New york on September 11th? Including Mayor Willy Brown and the Joint chiefs of Staff?

Why were US cargo planes evacuating thousands of Taliban fighters from Afghanistan to Pakistan and declaring a win for the United States during the Afghan excursion?

Fox news reports this as an "accident"


Don't believe me? Google it yourselves.


Why is there no substantial footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon?


THE PENTAGON.


This building is laced with CCTV cameras. The adjacent hotels and gas stations had cameras facing the building. Yet we get five frames that show no plane hitting the building. And why no engine damage? No wing damage? Why is the hole not big enough to accomadate a jet liner?



Questions, questions...


Here is a top 40:


THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?


THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS

6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

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What did officials know? How did they know it?
a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military's "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.
b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading
a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?
a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.
c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns -worldtrade-50suspects,0,1825231.story


THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?
a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.
b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dyalisis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?
c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?
d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up
a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.
b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).
c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.
d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York
The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene
The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax
Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

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The Stonewall
a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.
b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.
c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies
a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.
b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection
a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")
b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.
c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:
a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.
b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."
c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations
The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission's request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux
a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).
b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions
After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence
The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22
a. Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.
b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections
a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)
b. The issue of Ptech.

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Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters
The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?


GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game"
The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor"
Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror"
9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution
a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.
b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions
9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?
Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars
a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?
b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game"
Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?


HISTORY

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"Al-CIA-da?"
The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"
a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."
b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government
a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.
b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.


REASON NUMBER 41:
RELATED MOVEMENTS AND PARALLEL ISSUES

Ground Zero aftermath movements:
- Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org)
- "Radio Silence" (radiosilencefdny.com)
- Skyscraper Safety (www.skyscrapersafety.org).

Election fraud and black box voting, 2000 to 2004. (nov9truth.org)

Lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. (afterdowningstreet.org)

Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (See, "The War at Home")

Oklahoma City Truth movement. (okctruth.org)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order" - An unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.


The 9/11 Omission report is a farce. 50% of New Yorkers believe that the attacks were perpetrated and rightly so.

Why the refusal to answer questions? Why the refusal to reopen the case?

I direct you to the sticky on this page of Alex Jones documentary TerrorStorm. Watch it and educate yourself.
 
Thats all the same idiot shit the communist euro trash has posted on yahoo for years.

Totally fucking stupid fucks.
 
bad dog said:
Thats all the same idiot shit the communist euro trash has posted on yahoo for years.

Totally fucking stupid fucks.
What the hell has this got to do with communists?

Stay blind, you're doing a disservice to yourself your country and the people that died by not pushing for answers.

You represent the brain washed masses. Unable to ask questions or challenge belief systems and open your eyes because your little world view may be shattered.

Let me ask you a question.


What do you think of Operation Northwood?
 
Operation Northwood, it was never implemented.

As far as 911 there is thousands of idiots who eat the kook shit right up like yourself.

The USA was nailed with our pants down on 911. thats all there is to it.

Once again you may ride this dead horse as much as your silly ass likes.
 
bad dog said:
Operation Northwood, it was never implemented.
It doesn't matter, you stupid gimp. It shows that our government was perfectly alright with false flag operations, and starting illegitimate wars.

As far as 911 there is thousands of idiots who eat the kook shit right up like yourself.

The USA was nailed with our pants down on 911. thats all there is to it.

Once again you may ride this dead horse as much as your silly ass likes.
Damn. I used to think you had a modicum of intelligence.

Fucking hicks are breeding.
 
I don't know how I feel about all of it...

Maybe it's just that I would hope our government wouldn't do such a thing but that I can't put it out of the realm of possibility.

I'm not ignorant, though. I don't believe that our government is anything close to a perfect system.
 
Deni, are you familiar with MIHOP/LIHOP?

Make/Let it happen.

The government might have taken an active hand in it, or it might have simply permitted it to happen. Either way, the evidence is overwhelming that it knew about it.
 
I've never really looked into any of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it went down. (Well, I would...but you get what I mean.)
 
Nah.

While I could possibly believe that the US Government knew it was going to happen and let it happen, I don't believe they engineered the whole thing. Too complicated, too many people would know, and there's no way in hell they'd be able to properly cover it up. The government could screw up a two car funeral, let alone something of this magnitude.
 
Edit: As of that ^ writing, I haven't seen the new Alex Jones video, but I'll get to it tonight or tomorrow. I've seen most of the others, though, and since I consider Alex Jones to be a nutbar of the highest order...well, we'll see. Open mind and all that.
 
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
Nah.

While I could possibly believe that the US Government knew it was going to happen and let it happen, I don't believe they engineered the whole thing. Too complicated, too many people would know, and there's no way in hell they'd be able to properly cover it up. The government could screw up a two car funeral, let alone something of this magnitude.

^That's something I like to stress. Even if you don't believe the MIHOP, the LIHOP is still more than plausible, and just as damning.
 
It's high treason and conspiracy to murder.

I think LIHOP is being very kind in relation to the situation but it is a possibility.

Edit: As of that ^ writing, I haven't seen the new Alex Jones video, but I'll get to it tonight or tomorrow. I've seen most of the others, though, and since I consider Alex Jones to be a nutbar of the highest order...well, we'll see. Open mind and all that.

Alex Jones is pretty intense and very passionate about what he's doing. He also reiterates often not to believe Alex Jones. His message is to recheck all evidence that he presents and to do your own research and come to your own conclusions once you have watched and read all that pertains to the given situation.

The fact that you're willing to keep and open mind may seem like the simple and obvious thing to do but alas it doesn't seem to be for most of the public these days.

When has information, questions and having independant thoughts been a bad thing? The fact that you're willing to keep an open mind is probbaly one of the most important traits needed in a society.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


-- Theodore Roosevelt



This climate of not questioning anything but the spoon fed offical stories even when they have more holes than a mermaids brassiere is a devestating thing to watch in society.

The 9/11 commision Report is a farce. It is complete bullshit. It ommits anything that does not directly support it's own conspiracy theory.

For anyone American or not to not stand up and research and demand a re-opening of the case and for the evidence that has been omitted to be released and for the people responsible for all the apparant faliures not to be taken to task is unnaceptable.


How unlikley is False Flag? You can find it all through history going back 2000 years. It's a recorded and documented phenomenon. And it's clear that they are not above such acts. The Neo-Cons have been aware for a long time that a terrorist disaster was needed to push their agendas and to wage war and bolster homeland security. They would never have gotten away with it otherwise.

The Project For The New American Century is a think tank with the highest levels of Republican Neo-Cons coming up with a game plan for Americas future.

This is their offical site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Project for the New American Century[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.[/FONT]


http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

If you go to the above page and scroll down you will see who is on the panel. Including:

Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfiwitz


In one of the most damning quotes from their "New World Order" is this quote:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."

This quote appears in Chapter V, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", which discusses the perceived need for the Department of Defense to "move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts” (page 50).

More info on PNAC here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_a_New_American_Century

What this means is that they were quite aware that thier plans for America would never be accepted by the public without a catastrophic event that shook the country and scared the citizens. History always repeats itself and Neo-Cons know they get more popular the more scared the public is.


False Flag has been pepertrated by the Americans on numerous documented occasions. These people knew that this was the way to push their agenda. The motives are all there. You now have the Patriot Act, A neverending well of war against an invisible enemy that can be harboured in any country that they see fit (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria,) it goes on and on.. Whats more they decide when the war is over because there is no way of telling when an invisible enemy has been defeated. They've allready admitted that the "War on Terrorism" could go on for decades

War = money. It is a neccesity for these administrations to have war to roll out these Defense Contracts to take away freedoms and Liberty for the exchange of the myth of security. The Bill of Rights goes out the window because security is everything and thats what they offer.

don't believe they engineered the whole thing. Too complicated, too many people would know, and there's no way in hell they'd be able to properly cover it up. The government could screw up a two car funeral, let alone something of this magnitude.

They did screw it up. They made too many mistakes and that is why we're left with such a vast well of conflicting evidence that is clear to see for anyone that wants it. And this evidence is not flimsy or circumstantial or from random sources, it's there and it's valid.


I personally don't think a group of Muslim extremists armed with Cessna flight certificates and box cutters could pull such a feat off. It's a fairy tale.


Alex Jones may come across as a bit hardcore from his own pov but he's damning when he gets on the topics that matter and is always worth a listen.
 
Quick note, then I'll be off to enjoy a free evening for a change. I'll watch that video tomorrow and comment on it then, but....



Mentalist said:
The fact that you're willing to keep and open mind may seem like the simple and obvious thing to do but alas it doesn't seem to be for most of the public these days.

When has information, questions and having independant thoughts been a bad thing? The fact that you're willing to keep an open mind is probbaly one of the most important traits needed in a society.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


-- Theodore Roosevelt



This climate of not questioning anything but the spoon fed offical stories even when they have more holes than a mermaids brassiere is a devestating thing to watch in society.


Well, of course. It's always a good idea to question authority, especially the way things have been going lately. I've no problem with that at all, it's just that most of the conspiracy theorists I've read about in this case seem to be grasping for straws and/or making shit up. Old Teddy is one of my personal heroes, btw.

I'll refrain from responding further until I've actually seen the film in question (a few times, probably).
 
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
Quick note, then I'll be off to enjoy a free evening for a change. I'll watch that video tomorrow and comment on it then, but....






Well, of course. It's always a good idea to question authority, especially the way things have been going lately. I've no problem with that at all, it's just that most of the conspiracy theorists I've read about in this case seem to be grasping for straws and/or making shit up. Old Teddy is one of my personal heroes, btw.

I'll refrain from responding further until I've actually seen the film in question (a few times, probably).


Always.


Alex Jones is his usual hardcore persona but it's one of the best if not the best doc I've seen from him and I've seen a lot of his work. It's updated to this month as well and he travels to England (I'm English) and blows that all wide open among other things.

It's a deffo good watch.
 
Colonel Kira's Left Tit said:
Nah.

While I could possibly believe that the US Government knew it was going to happen and let it happen, I don't believe they engineered the whole thing. Too complicated, too many people would know, and there's no way in hell they'd be able to properly cover it up. The government could screw up a two car funeral, let alone something of this magnitude.

I can see why you'd say that. Hell, they can't even keep the most simple "classified" information from reaching the public's hands. Pfft...
 
For the record, I've not forgotten about this. Downloaded (it only took 15 minutes), and I'm trying to clear the time to watch it all the way through. Sorry, but it'll probably be after the holidays.

Did he actually say "nekkid"?
 
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