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Three crucial steps to slowing down the death of the U.S. economy.

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First, we get the fuck out of the Middle East, RIGHT NOW. No "graduated withdrawal," we just get every motherfucker in uniform the hell out of there and back here, stop spending billions to be there.

Second, we don't give Israel another fucking thing. Not one more dollar, not one more bullet.

Third, we get the motherfuckers working illegally in this country the fuck out. In body bags, if necessary, and anyone who hires them or defends them being here and working illegally can join them.
 
I work with two ethiopian women.
One works two jobs and sends most of her money to her family In Ethiopia.

I don't mind taking care of you family, but multiply that practice by a Million.
Where's your money now?
 
We need to open our borders to the skilled immigrants of India, China, Korea. They'll work longer and harder than Americans for the same wages. They'll found their own businesses, creating jobs for both Americans and other immigrants, and provide real stimulus to our economy.
 
Dual said:
We need to open our borders to the skilled immigrants of India, China, Korea. They'll work longer and harder than Americans for the same wages. They'll found their own businesses, creating jobs for both Americans and other immigrants, and provide real stimulus to our economy.
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First, there's no evidence they'll work harder. They will definitely, however, displace Americans who want and need those jobs. Second, if they do found businesses of their own, what's the guarantee they'll hire Americans to fill the jobs they create? We already have jobs here Americans can't get due to the requirement that legal wages must be paid to them.
 
Ah, but BG's gives me an idea for a fourth step. Any money sent overseas -- ANY money, regardless of whether it's from an individual or a multinational corporation -- should be taxed at 25%, minimum -- and some forms of money sent out of the country shouldn't be allowed at all, at least temporarily. No sending money to Mexico. They've got enough of our money already.
 
The Saint said:
First, there's no evidence they'll work harder. They will definitely, however, displace Americans who want and need those jobs. Second, if they do found businesses of their own, what's the guarantee they'll hire Americans to fill the jobs they create? We already have jobs here Americans can't get due to the requirement that legal wages must be paid to them.
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If skilled (that's the key here) immigrants displace US workers, where's the problem? The very premise of a free market is being upheld. Any immigrant who replaces an American will be more competent and thus more deserving of the job. They'll still pay taxes, and their children will be natural born citizens. Immigrant vigour is what raised the US to its position in the world in the first place; protectionism isn't going to keep us there.
 
Wow, you truly have no fucking clue about economics.

1) Will screw up oil markets.
2) Will screw up oil markets. Plus some high tech stuff. Apart from that it's the least bad idea.
3) Yeah, truly fucked up. Get rid of minimum wage if that's your real problem. Apart from that it's just moronic xenophobia.
4) Yeah, making capital markets more inefficient sure is gonna solve shit.
 
I actually am in favor of getting Minimum wage down to "Minimum" ness.
Raising minimum wage, makes your base opperating cost higher.
And, Minimum wage should NOT be paying you enough to live.
It's there for training you.
If you want more money, learn to work better and get promoted to where you can make more for your time.

Minimum wage is for Unskilled workers.
 
ctmelvital said:
Wow, you truly have no fucking clue about economics.

1) Will screw up oil markets.
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How? They were doing just fucking fine when we didn't have our military technology and our sons and daughters all over the fucking place.

2) Will screw up oil markets. Plus some high tech stuff. Apart from that it's the least bad idea.
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Again, how will that screw up oil markets? And what "high tech" stuff does Israel give us that are worth the trillion dollars or so we've given them, not to mention the rabid jihadist bullshit funding and arming them has drawn in our direction?

3) Yeah, truly fucked up. Get rid of minimum wage if that's your real problem. Apart from that it's just moronic xenophobia.[/quote]

Bullshit. Billions of American dollars have been leeched out of our economy by these motherfuckers and the crooked sacks of shit who employ them.

4) Yeah, making capital markets more inefficient sure is gonna solve shit.
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Again, bullshit. This country's economy has had a massive, and I mean massive three-way hemorrhage for long enough. It's time to stop the blood flow.
 
You've gotta love this shit.

Conservatives are extolling the virtues of capitalism, the evils of welfare, crying about how being forced to pay someone a minimum wage is bad for business, saying that the people that are the very foundation of their companies are unskilled labor that doesn't deserve the right to a decent living.

And it's all going on as we sit and watch all the CEO's of their multibillion dollar corporations run to Washington begging to be part of the countries largest welfare program, the corporate bailouts.
 
I personally thing CEO's and other high executive ought to be paid a % of that the company makes.
No outrageous levels of pay, and of the company isn't doing so well, then they are personally affected and therefor have it in their best interests to get the company on the right track.
 
The Saint said:
How? They were doing just fucking fine when we didn't have our military technology and our sons and daughters all over the fucking place.
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And when was that? 150 years ago?


Again, how will that screw up oil markets? And what "high tech" stuff does Israel give us that are worth the trillion dollars or so we've given them, not to mention the rabid jihadist bullshit funding and arming them has drawn in our direction?
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Letting Israel die -> Arab fundamentalists take over -> boom. Not terribly complicated, now is it?

Bullshit. Billions of American dollars have been leeched out of our economy by these motherfuckers and the crooked sacks of shit who employ them.
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What's this "our" economy bullshit? Two parties come to a mutually agreeable contract and you're not involved? Too fucking bad.
Bitch about welfare, free E.R. care - whatever. None of that addresses the fundamental issue and just serves to illustrate the problems underlying these systems.
 
ctmelvital said:
And when was that? 150 years ago?
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So everything prior to the 1970s was 150 years ago?

Letting Israel die -> Arab fundamentalists take over -> boom. Not terribly complicated, now is it?
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How does not giving Israel handouts = letting Israel die? How does letting Irae die = letting Arab fundamentalists take over, and how does either of those things = boom?

What's this "our" economy bullshit?
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The U.S. economy. Of course, not being from the U.S., maybe you don't give a rat's ass and think we should just give it away to Israel and Mexico. Since I, as well as every other citizen of the U.S., depend on it for our livelihoods just as it depends on us, it is our economy.

Two parties come to a mutually agreeable contract and you're not involved? Too fucking bad.
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When one or both of those parties is violating a law which protects the livelihoods of citizens of the country one of those parties is operating in, it's not a case of "too fucking bad," it's just a case of "fucking bad."

Bitch about welfare, free E.R. care - whatever. None of that addresses the fundamental issue and just serves to illustrate the problems underlying these systems.
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The problem underlying these systems is that they're being given away to people who have not and likely will not contribute to replenishing them, thus rendering them non-sustainable.
 
Before I respond to your quotes, let me say that you are a massive failure as a human being. I don't blame you. I'm guess you were raised to believe the crap you believe - glory be to God and Reagan - but you are still an outdated, failed, repulsive point of view that the system needs to purge like a cancer.

The Saint said:
First, we get the fuck out of the Middle East, RIGHT NOW. No "graduated withdrawal," we just get every motherfucker in uniform the hell out of there and back here, stop spending billions to be there.
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You put us there - repubo-tard. Now it's BAD OBAMA for trying to withdraw in a way that might leave the tiniest sliver of hope for Iraq (though I believe that sliver is so tiny as to be invisible it still exists).

Second, we don't give Israel another fucking thing. Not one more dollar, not one more bullet.
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Are we giving things to Isreal? I thought we were selling them? Doesn't that make us money? Please provide some sort of proof for your bombastic psychotic claims.

Third, we get the motherfuckers working illegally in this country the fuck out. In body bags, if necessary, and anyone who hires them or defends them being here and working illegally can join them.
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They're leaving on there own, since there are no longer any jobs, opportunity or hope left here. Good work. You did it.
 
U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact

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Summary

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Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans


$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)

$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments

$1,650,000,000

Grand Total

$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630


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Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total

$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.

$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers

$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240


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Congress Watch: A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting


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Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees.

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between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants

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Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues.

And I am not a Republican, you spastic-kneed moron.
 
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