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Tradition or Statutory Rape?

Gonad

DON'T FUCK WITH MY TITLE BITCH
CA 14-Year-Old In Arranged Marriage

Jan 13, 8:38 PM (ET)

By JULIANA BARBASSA

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A California man has been arrested for arranging for his 14-year-old daughter to marry a neighbor in exchange for $16,000, 100 cases of beer and several cases of meat, police said.

Authorities in Greenfield, a farming community on California's central coast, said they learned of the deal after Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, 36, asked them for help getting back his daughter after payment wasn't made.

Martinez was arrested Sunday. He's scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in Monterey County Superior Court on felony charges of procuring a child under age 16 for lewd and lascivious acts, statutory rape and cruelty to a child by endangering health, according to the prosecutor.

The prosecutor's office said Martinez did not have an attorney of record yet.

Police also arrested the intended groom, 18-year-old Margarito de Jesus Galindo, on suspicion of statutory rape, but prosecutors have not decided whether to charge him. Police did not return a message Tuesday for information on whether Galindo had an attorney.

Martinez is a member of an indigenous Mexican Trique community. Greenfield police Chief Joe Grebmeier said the case highlights an issue confronting local authorities in that arranged marriages with girls as young as 12 are not uncommon among the Trique.

He hesitated to say the girl was being sold into marriage, as the money was intended as a dowry and the beer and meat were for the wedding. But, he added, the arrangement violates California law, where the age of consent for marriage is 18, and with parental approval, 16.

"This is not a traditional trafficking case because there is no force or coercion in this," Grebmeier said. "We're aware of the cultural issues here, but state law trumps cultural sensitivity."

Grebmeier is planning to meet with leaders in the Trique community to talk about how some cultural practices might conflict with California law.

"Initially, when everyone was talking to us, we learned a lot because they had no realization that it's against the law - an arranged marriage for money with a minor," Grebmeier said.

Many Trique immigrants are part of the stream of farmworkers who tend California's fruit and vegetable fields, living in communities scattered along the coast and the state's agricultural Central Valley. The often speak only Trique, an indigenous language, and come from villages with cultural traditions that set them apart from other Mexicans.

Service organizations have been working to help them integrate, said Jonathan Fox, a professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who has worked extensively with indigenous immigrants.

"This is certainly not the first such case I've heard of," he said of the marriage involving an underage girl.

Members of the indigenous community protested the news reports and public discussion of the case, saying they were painted in a very negative light.

"No one put a 'for sale' sign on this girl, and that's how it sounds," said Rufino Dominguez, an indigenous immigrant and head of the Greenfield office of the Binational Center for the Development of the Indigenous Communities.

He said arranging marriages and exchanging goods that will contribute to the wedding party are common, but money is not usually part of the transaction. When that does happen, it's not seen well within the community, he said.

"Most people don't agree with it," he said.

Police learned of the deal in mid-December, when Martinez reported his daughter as a runaway. Further investigation found the girl had not fled but moved in with Galindo as part of the marriage arrangement. Grebmeier said the girl was a willing party to the deal.

Martinez would face at least a year in prison if convicted. Because he's an undocumented immigrant, he's under an immigration hold and is not eligible for bail.

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Associated Press Writer Marcus Wohlsen contributed to this report.

Hmm, so when Mormons do it it's "rape, brainwashing, etc." but when other minorities do it it's "cultural tradition"?
 
That's because they're white silly, when minorities do shit like this we have to be sure that their "cultural differences" aren't disrespected.
 
That's because they're white silly, when minorities do shit like this we have to be sure that their "cultural differences" aren't disrespected.

Mormons are minorities, silly. Just because they're white doesn't mean they're not persecuted.
 
Sad.

Seriously.

You come to THIS COUNTRY for the opportunity, then you have to conform to our laws.

(and yes, I know that MM will be in here citing the Ammish and others).

It used to be that new minorities were pressured by prejudice and persecution to conform, to "become American", learn the language, etc. The Irish and Italians are prime examples of this. (From Blazing saddles..."Ok, we'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks...but we DON'T WANT THE IRISH!!!). Sure, you can be proud of where your forefathers are from, get drunk on St. Patty's day or whatever...but you act like and respect the laws of America because that's where you live.

Arranged marriages? Fine, as long as the pressure is social and emotional, not physical (like "honor killings"). Dowery's? Ok...but your penalty for non-payment is social shunning from your neighbors, not the sherrif pounding on your door? 14 year olds in "Spiritual Marriages"? Right or wrong...you get a raid on your "compound".

That's what living here means.

Statutory rape (that's why it's "Statutory"....).

Now that doesn't make it right, ethically and morally, but the Law isn't just, it's the Law. There's a mechanism in place to change it if enough people want it changed. That's part of this country too...

Now when I get off of my soap-box: I don't personally care who marries who when and what and how. But a minority holding themselves apart when they decided to live here annoys me to no end.

-SB
 
Personal rule because I consider the whole bullshit about minimum age requirements bullshit (I was no different on my last day of being 17 compared to my first day of being 18 and I doubt my 21st birthday will be any different):

If you're old enough to run away and do your own thing without coming back crying to mummy, you get to do what adults get to do. Until then, your parents decided what the fuck you get to do and that's that.
 
Also, just to clarify, I don't really know enough about your chosen lifestyle to have an informed opinion about how the "weaker" partner qualifies in my rule in there but I a) assume it poses no problem and if it b) doesn't, well, I'm not about to change my rules just for you. :bailey:
 
You're supposed to come to America so you don't have to sell your daughter at 12. This is not cultural, it's an economic side effect of poor countries.
 
So, my oldest daughter is 13, and I know that she's working very hard in school so she can win a scholarship so she can go to the UofA and study astronomy and work for NASA...but eh, I could use a nicer car and a new laptop, so how much do you think I could get for her on eBay?
 
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