voting question

[missmanners]

Are you going with majority, most votes or? And what percent of eligible voters must vote? What will you do if there's a tie? Will you leave voting threads open a consistant amount of time?

When is the cut off for eligable voters for mod?


mm

 

[Ilyanna]

For heaven's sake, woman, give us a break! We've just been elevated from garbage-sorting gutter rats to voting, self-governing semi-humans, we are still recovering from the culture shock, okay?

Suggestion:
Since we have a bunch of duals voting, I'd prefer a 2/3 majority of active voters - we can always change that if it proves to be unrealistic. No percentage on who has to vote, those who don't participate have to just accept the mod who's chosen. If that means there is only one voter, well, then that voter gets to pick the next mod. If there's a tie, the candidates will have to send me naked pics of themselves and I will decide. Or we can just have a second ballot, but personally, I'd prefer the pics.
Voting threads should be open for a limited period of time, yes. Let's say one week, we can always change that later.

When is the cut off for eligable voters for mod?

Sorry, meese es Germani, meese don't know what you mean. Someone else please answer that.

 

[missmanners]

Well if you need to vote in a mod by the end of this week, you will need to set a date to start voting, right? So you have 5 days left. If you start the voting now, people who can nominate 3 others will be out hunting up voters at the last minute. I just wondered if there was going to be a "cut off" mark for the list of voters able to vote for moderator. People can still nominate voters after the mod election after all.


mm

 

[Ilyanna]

*head explodes* You know, this experience just makes me realize why dictators can succeed so easily...

 

[Ilyanna]

Err, what day is "end of the week" for you? (that's a serious question - in Germany, it's Sunday, but I know some mb's have Sunday as first day of the week by default)

OK, let's see:
eligible voters are those who are listed in the respective thread before voting begins. Since residents only have 3 vouchers, but can, as you said, use them after the first election is held, too, it might be wise to safe up on them for later use (who knows what awesome person will become a BLer in 2010) (says the person with no spare voucher )
anyway, the process of nomination should not last longer than 48 hours (at least for this election, we can make that way longer next time). Since it has already begun, nominations will be closed some time around Wednesday lunchtime. (my time. God knows what time that is at your place). The Voting can then start immediately and may last until "end of the week".

Disclaimer: these are suggestions. Anybody with a better idea is welcome to say so.

Since we gotta make sure that only eligible voters go to the ballot, voting should be done in a poll where the names are displayed.

 

[EnglishRose]

what??? we have to vote?? we actually have to do something constructive down here? how'd that happen?

 

[Conchaga]

TIME TO RATIFY THE BADLANDS SPAMSTITIUTION!

Mods are to be chosen by simple majority. The one with the most votes wins. None of this 2/3 crap. I honestly doubt you can get 2/3 of the badlands to agree on anything.

In the case of a tie, an intervention by mm AND the current mod will decide.
OR
The two candidates with the least votes will be stricken from the ballot and there will be a secondary election. This election should be held immediately.

Voter registration cutoff is two days before the vote.

Nominations for mod should also cease on the same day as the registration cutoff.

There should be a master list of those who are eligible to vote and such a list may only be updated by the current mod following the guidelines laid out by missmanners and this Spamstitution.

Those guidelines are as follows.

1. Those who posted within the two threads missmanners stated are immediately considered citizens.
2. Every citizen gets to nominate three others who might not have been included in those threads. (However, it is the suggestion of this writer that the citizen nomination number be lowered to 1 for the subsequent elections.)
3. The citizens chosen in the latest election are grandfathered into the next election.
4. New citizens may be added before the next election.
5. Those citizens who emigrate from the Badlands can be stricken from the list of grandfathered citizens by a majority yes/no vote.
A) A citizen who has emigrated must not have posted within the Badlands for a period of two months.
B) Just because someone is unliked does not qualify them for an emigration vote.
C) Emigration votes should be held on the day that the next election is announced.
6. Nominations for moderator may be submitted in any form the citizen chooses.
A) Nominations should have proof. Claiming you PM'd missmanners or submitted your nomination via MSN chat is not sufficient.
B) Proof need not be furnished unless the citizens disagree with the elected official.
7. In case any of these elections needs arbitration, missmanners will be the arbiter. No exceptions.

As in any other election the vote should be held over a 24 hour span, with at least a seven day notice as to what day the election should be held. That should give the voting populace the time needed to get to a computer with internet and cast their ballot.

The ballot itself should be a poll with a timer. It should also be a public poll. This will prevent moderator or admin tampering.

In the case of this election, the vote should be held on Saturday, January 10, 2009.

Voter registration and candidate nomination should cease on Wednesday, January 6, 2009.

Secondary elections (should the be needed) are to be held on Sunday, January 11, 2009.

How's that?

 

[Conchaga]

I would like to add the following amendment to the voter registration list.

#4 ss A) Citizens added between elections have no vouchers to add other citizens until the completion of the current election.

This clause should eliminate ad infinitum vouchering.

 

[Ilyanna]

Mods are to be chosen by simple majority. The one with the most votes wins. None of this 2/3 crap. I honestly doubt you can get 2/3 of the badlands to agree on anything.

I still think it's not fair for those who don't have duals, but ok, we can do a simple majority for this election and see if that works.

In the case of a tie, an intervention by mm AND the current mod will decide.
OR
The two candidates with the least votes will be stricken from the ballot and there will be a secondary election. This election should be held immediately.

I prefer the first one, it's faster and easier, and the threat of making the election pointless will hopefully make people think before they vote.

Voter registration cutoff is two days before the vote.

'kay

Nominations for mod should also cease on the same day as the registration cutoff.

I disagree. Voter registration cut off should be before nominations are done for clarity's sake.

There should be a master list of those who are eligible to vote and such a list may only be updated by the current mod following the guidelines laid out by missmanners and this Spamstitution.

Aye.

1. Those who posted within the two threads missmanners stated are immediately considered citizens.

Agreed

2. Every citizen gets to nominate three others who might not have been included in those threads. (However, it is the suggestion of this writer that the citizen nomination number be lowered to 1 for the subsequent elections.)

Agreed, with the addition that the nominee should actually have posted in the BL.

3. The citizens chosen in the latest election are grandfathered into the next election.

I only agree if the citizen nomination number is indeed lowered to 1, since otherwise there won't be anybody not counting as citizen by 2009.

4. New citizens may be added before the next election.

Yep.

5. Those citizens who emigrate from the Badlands can be stricken from the list of grandfathered citizens by a majority yes/no vote.

yep

A) A citizen who has emigrated must not have posted within the Badlands for a period of two months.

ok

B) Just because someone is unliked does not qualify them for an emigration vote.

well, yes

C) Emigration votes should be held on the day that the next election is announced.

Let's make that two days from the day the election is announced. There are things like different time zones and RL issues.

6. Nominations for moderator may be submitted in any form the citizen chooses.
A) Nominations should have proof. Claiming you PM'd missmanners or submitted your nomination via MSN chat is not sufficient.
B) Proof need not be furnished unless the citizens disagree with the elected official.

Sounds good

7. In case any of these elections needs arbitration, missmanners will be the arbiter. No exceptions.

Agreed

As in any other election the vote should be held over a 24 hour span, with at least a seven day notice as to what day the election should be held. That should give the voting populace the time needed to get to a computer with internet and cast their ballot.

No. There's no reason to make it so hard. Two days should be ok.

The ballot itself should be a poll with a timer. It should also be a public poll. This will prevent moderator or admin tampering.

Yes

In the case of this election, the vote should be held on Saturday, January 10, 2009.

See above, I for example may not have access to a computer all day and night.

Voter registration and candidate nomination should cease on Wednesday, January 6, 2009.

OK

Secondary elections (should the be needed) are to be held on Sunday, January 11, 2009.

2 days, pls

#4 ss A) Citizens added between elections have no vouchers to add other citizens until the completion of the current election.

Not in the long run.

 

[missmanners]

You may want to consider a 48 hour polling period and how will you have a timer on a poll?


mm

 

[missmanners]

Oh By poll, I dont mean a board generated poll. All voting needs to be done in a thread to prevent me from giving the modship to Falconarg. So for the purpose of discussions, when we talk about poll, we mean a thread where each citizen makes a post with his preference.


mm

 

[curiousa2z]

^ lol!



.....after all this, I do hope Falcy is gonna show up for the elections!

 

[FBI parte due]

Thanks for coming up with a set of rules so quickly, and sorry about being so bitchy earlier. I wanted to make sure this wasn't going to become some kind of LoNAF Mark II thing.

 

[Conchaga]

I still think it's not fair for those who don't have duals, but ok, we can do a simple majority for this election and see if that works.

Who said everyone who has duals is going to use them to vote for the same person?

I can definitely say that Love Cunt, Love Child, and Mirah will probably split their ballot.

And, as I said, it's damn near impossible to get two thirds of the badlands to agree on anything. Making it a 2/3rds decision will prove nothing except for how futile it is to get these people to unify.

I prefer the first one, it's faster and easier, and the threat of making the election pointless will hopefully make people think before they vote.

And I prefer the second. If you're going to give us the illusion that we have a choice in the matter, it helps to play along.

I disagree. Voter registration cut off should be before nominations are done for clarity's sake.

Fair enough. Though, there needs to be a little time for campaigning, so how about voter registration cutoff (for elections held after this one) is 72 hours ahead of election day and nomination cutoff is 48 hours?

With the addition that the nominee should actually have posted in the BL.

Agreed. Consider this #4 ss B.

I only agree if the citizen nomination number is indeed lowered to 1, since otherwise there won't be anybody not counting as citizen by 2009.

How about, that with the addition of #4ssB, that there should also be a clause stating that a citizens nomination may be contested by the current citizens, but only after, say, three people disagree? For this duals do not count. The ultimate decision is not a vote, but a veto or approval by the current mod. Just to speed things up.

Let's make that two days from the day the election is announced. There are things like different time zones and RL issues.

Very well. In that case, let's push the announcement of the next election back to two weeks instead of seven days. On the seventh day before the election the Emigration votes will commence. Does that work?

There's no reason to make it so hard. Two days should be ok.

Fair enough. Agreed. Under which time zone should we post the poll? I'd say mm's time zone CST.

See above, I for example may not have access to a computer all day and night.

Alright then. Since we're expanding the voting time to 48 hours, let's make it all day Saturday and all day Sunday.

We'll also push back the secondary election to allow the extension of the election time.
The secondary election, should it be needed, can be held on Monday January 12 through Tuesday January 13.

Not in the long run.

Explain.

 

[Conchaga]

A more reprintable version of the Spamstitution.

We, the citizens of the Badlands, declare this Spamstitution law. These are the guidelines for the selection of the moderator within this forum.

1. There is a master list of those who are citizens and this list may only be updated by missmanners or the current moderator.

2. Those members who are on the master list of citizens are the only citizens. No exceptions.

3. New citizens may be added before the next election.
A) Only valid and current citizens may nominate another for citizenship.
B) Each citizen may only nominate one new citizen per election.
C) Citizens added between elections have no vouchers to add other citizens until the completion of the current election.
D) A minimum of three citizens may petition to overturn a nomination for a new citizen. The decision will be made by the current moderator.
E) To be added as a new citizen you must have made a thread, or posted within the Badlands within a month before the election.
F) Dual accounts (sockpuppets) may be nominated for citizenship.
G) The cutoff time to be nominated as a citizen is 72 hours prior to the election.

4. The citizens chosen in the latest election are to be grandfathered into the next election.

5. Those citizens who emigrate from the Badlands can be stricken from the list of grandfathered citizens by a majority yes/no vote.
A) A citizen who has emigrated must not have posted within the Badlands for a period of one month.
B) A current citizen must nominate someone for an Emigration Vote.
C) Just because someone is unliked does not qualify them for an Emigration Vote.
D) Emigration Votes will be held seven days prior to the election.

6. Nominations for moderator may be submitted in any form the citizen chooses.
A) Nominations should have proof. Claiming you PM'd missmanners or submitted your nomination via MSN chat is not sufficient.
B) Proof need not be furnished unless the citizens disagree with the elected official.
a. In order to officially disagree there must be a 2/3 majority of citizens who disagree with the election results.
C) The cutoff time for nominations is 48 hours prior to the election.

7. The vote will be held over a 48 hour span

8. There will be at least a 14 day notice as to what day the election will be held.

9. The winner will be chosen by simple majority.

10. In the case of a tie, an intervention by mm AND the current mod will decide.
OR
The two candidates with the least votes will be stricken from the ballot and there will be a secondary election. This election will be held immediately.

11. Secondary elections will last as long as the original.

12. The ballot itself will be a thread with a cutoff date.
A) The time zone used for this cutoff will be Central Standard Time.

13. The term of office will be as long as missmanners dictates or until the person holding said office resigns.

14. There is no limit to how many times a person may hold the office sequentially.

15. If you don't like these rules, don't post here. We don't like you anyway.

16. In the case that any of these rules need arbitration, missmanners will be the arbiter. No exceptions.

 

[Conchaga]

I restructured it to flow a bit better and make simple rules out of every line.

I added Ily's changes. This Spamstitution is still up for deliberation. Though, I stress that it be ratified quickly as the date for the election is drawing near.

You have my permission to repost the Spamstitution under it's own thread once finalized.

 

[Conchaga]

#6ssD) Only Badlands citizens may be nominated.

 

[Ilyanna]

You're amazing.
OK, I agree and sign and do whatever is done to ratify this.

Now if y'all excuse me, there's a cow in need of neutering, so now it's up to those who actually wanted all the changes and rules and self-governing to take it from here.

#4 ss A) Citizens added between elections have no vouchers to add other citizens until the completion of the current election.

This clause should eliminate ad infinitum vouchering

Ah, NVM... it was a hypothetical question: if every person who is added can add one person in return, there can, theoretically, come a day when everybody is a citizen. For example: let's say we have a population of 10 people, and we start with 2 people having the right to vote in election 1. Those two people will then each add 1 more person, so for election 2, there are 4 citizens. the new citizens will then in turn vote 2 more people in, so election 3 already has 6 voters. Continue this, and by the time election 5 is held, every person already is a citizen.
Of course, this is only theory, not everbody will vouch for somebody, but that's why I was opposed to the idea of giving every new citizen 3 vouchers. As I said - pyramid scheme.
Anyway, you have changed the amount of vouchers and added that the person vouched for must have posted in te BL, so I guess it should work.

14. There is no limit to how many times a person may hold the office sequentially.

IIRC, that's against one of the terms mm had set previously, but if she's ok with it, I certainly am.

 

[missmanners]

^ nope. Thats one of the rules thats gotta stay, serve a term then out a term.


mm

 

[Yub]

Either nobody but me, Ily and Conchaga give a damn or ....there's no or. All the same a fine piece of spam law. I'm still trying to find holes in it and due to my mucus compressed brain and subsequent slow rate of thinking, I'm still yet to complete that. Still no holes that don't have safeguards yet.