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What was the point of the second rapist in Back To The Future?

CaptainWacky

I want to smell dark matter
So George saves Lorraine from Biff and punches him out. It's obviously his big moment, when he stops being Biff's victim and becomes a hero. Biff has been the main villain of the whole movie and him being defeated by George is the natural emotional climax for George, Lorraine and Biff himself. After this the action should shift to Marty as he tries to get home. EXCEPT. When George and Lorraine are about to dance one of Biff's minions walks over and drags her off, presumably to rape her like Biff was going to. And laughs evily as he does in a completely over the top manner, in this gym full of students. AND GEORGE JUST SHRUGS SADLY AND STARTS WALKING AWAY. Despite already beating up Biff! Yeah he then goes right back over and effortlessly pushes the second rapist away, but why was he acting like he was defeated for even a moment? Yeah it's done so Marty can jump up and start playing the guitar, but it's really not needed at all unless they were just trying to say that schools were full of rapists in the fifties.

SORRY FOR RUINING BACK TO THE FUTURE FOR YOU.
 
Also we know that the timeline is altered when Marty travels back as in the original timeline George is still being buillied by Biff and Lorraine is fat and such. So people who claim that Chuck Berry got the idea for Johnny B Goode from Marty ARE WRONG. Because you see Johnny B. Goode existed in the original, fat Lorraine timeline, where Marty didn't travel back in time. So that means Chuck Berry wrote Johnny B. Goode in that timeline (in 1955 according to the internet.) So when his cousin (it was nice of them to specify that it was his cousin Marvin BERRY in case you didn't get that he was talking to Chuck Berry when he said "hey Chuck!" on the phone!) let's him hear Johnny B. Goode over the phone it doesn't make any different because he would have written it in 1955 anyway as he did in the unaltered timelie. GOD.
 
At the cinemas I actually skipped part 2 and went straight to part 3 because of the cowboy theme, I hated the idea in the 2nd one that they had to go back to the 50s again, I have seen it since, but it seems a bit too grim and dark for what is supposed to be a comedy.
 
Also we know that the timeline is altered when Marty travels back as in the original timeline George is still being buillied by Biff and Lorraine is fat and such. So people who claim that Chuck Berry got the idea for Johnny B Goode from Marty ARE WRONG. Because you see Johnny B. Goode existed in the original, fat Lorraine timeline, where Marty didn't travel back in time. So that means Chuck Berry wrote Johnny B. Goode in that timeline (in 1955 according to the internet.) So when his cousin (it was nice of them to specify that it was his cousin Marvin BERRY in case you didn't get that he was talking to Chuck Berry when he said "hey Chuck!" on the phone!) let's him hear Johnny B. Goode over the phone it doesn't make any different because he would have written it in 1955 anyway as he did in the unaltered timelie. GOD.

Any time travel story is bound to result in a causality loop. Chuck Berry "always" got the idea from Marty McFly, who heard the Chuck Berry song that was always inspired by its creator hearing his creation before he created it.

Marty McFly's existence is impossible -- his mother fell in love with his father due to Florence Nightengale Syndrome, but she would have ended up with Biff had Marty not intervened. And in that case, Marty would never have existed to intervene -- or, best case scenario, would have existed as an entirely different person who would have found intervention both unnecessary and undesirable.

John Connor and Skynet are each impossible without the other. Without Skynet, no Terminator goes back in time to be chased by Kyle Reese, who fathers John Connor. But without John Connor, Skynet never sends a Terminator back in time to be salvaged by Cyberdyne, who develop the future technology into the Skynet missile defense system.

And while both franchises go into 'alternate timelines' to explain the changes their characters make, the original pre-time-travel conditions are impossible.

There. Now your favorite time travel stories are ruined. All of 'em. :D
 
To answer the initial post, it is to show there's been a fundamental change in George McFly's character and that standing up to Biff wasn't a one off thing.
 
Also we know that the timeline is altered when Marty travels back as in the original timeline George is still being buillied by Biff and Lorraine is fat and such. So people who claim that Chuck Berry got the idea for Johnny B Goode from Marty ARE WRONG. Because you see Johnny B. Goode existed in the original, fat Lorraine timeline, where Marty didn't travel back in time. So that means Chuck Berry wrote Johnny B. Goode in that timeline (in 1955 according to the internet.) So when his cousin (it was nice of them to specify that it was his cousin Marvin BERRY in case you didn't get that he was talking to Chuck Berry when he said "hey Chuck!" on the phone!) let's him hear Johnny B. Goode over the phone it doesn't make any different because he would have written it in 1955 anyway as he did in the unaltered timelie. GOD.

You mentioned bootstrap paradox hours before Doctor Who did it.

Is that a pardox in itself?
 
Well Back to the Future ISN'T a bootstrap paradox as the events originally played out differently.

I think George being able stand up to Biff not being a one-off thing is shown well enough by the final scene in the altered 1985 where Biff is waxing his car.

Any time travel story is bound to result in a causality loop. Chuck Berry "always" got the idea from Marty McFly, who heard the Chuck Berry song that was always inspired by its creator hearing his creation before he created it.

Marty McFly's existence is impossible -- his mother fell in love with his father due to Florence Nightengale Syndrome, but she would have ended up with Biff had Marty not intervened. And in that case, Marty would never have existed to intervene -- or, best case scenario, would have existed as an entirely different person who would have found intervention both unnecessary and undesirable.

Nope, Lorraine ended up with George in the original timeline without Marty. As you say it started as Florence Nightengale Syndrome and they were still together thirty years later, albeit in an unhappy marriage where George was always a bit of a loser and Lorraine was fat and such. Marty travelling back in time almost ruined that because he pushed George out of the way of the car, but they ended up together and stronger than originally after George punced out Biff. So Chuck Berry wrote the song originally in the "unhappy marrige" timeline and that's how Marty knew of it.

Lorraine only ended up with Biff in the dark 1985 of part 2 because of old Biff giving his younger self the sports book and Biff having George murdered.
 
The problem with time travel paradoxes is that at some point Ashton Kutcher has to go back into the womb and kill himself to keep from continuing to make a bigger mess out of everything.
 
I hate that advert where Ashton Kutcher is having sex with a pizza, to link two of my recent threads together.
 
His sexness and nuditity is all he has to offer, so I'd actually like to see that. As long as he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't punk someone.
 
Well Back to the Future ISN'T a bootstrap paradox as the events originally played out differently.

That's my point, though. Without Marty's involvement in the events of 1955, the Marty of 1985 couldn't have existed, because the original 1955 without his involvement couldn't have produced him because Biff was originally infatuated with Lorraine and the pre-time-travel George wouldn't have stood up to him to keep him from taking Lorraine.

That is, unless there was a whole series of events in the original timeline to explain it. My immediate thought was that maybe Biff was drafted and would have had to leave Hill Valley for military service, whereupon Lorraine would've gone back to George -- except the Korean War was over by then, so no, that wouldn't have done it.

I think George being able stand up to Biff not being a one-off thing is shown well enough by the final scene in the altered 1985 where Biff is waxing his car.

Except that's the post-time-travel Biff and George dynamic. The pre-intervention 1985 is consistent with the pre-intervention 1955, which should have led to Lorraine ending up with Biff, since Biff wanted her and the pre-intervention George couldn't have prevented that. Something would have to have altered his character in such a way that he would have stopped Biff -- but that something was the series of events Marty put into motion -- or a series of events similar to them in their effect on George's character.

Now here's a real wanger for ya -- What if Back To The Future has an unexplored tie-in with Quantum Leap? That would explain why original George was able to marry Lorraine but then eventually regress to his 1955 wimp character. The George that originally married Lorraine was actually Sam Beckett.

Nope, Lorraine ended up with George in the original timeline without Marty. As you say it started as Florence Nightengale Syndrome and they were still together thirty years later, albeit in an unhappy marriage where George was always a bit of a loser and Lorraine was fat and such. Marty travelling back in time almost ruined that because he pushed George out of the way of the car, but they ended up together and stronger than originally after George punced out Biff. So Chuck Berry wrote the song originally in the "unhappy marrige" timeline and that's how Marty knew of it.

That last observation doesn't quite work. Okay, imagine you're Check Berry. You get a phone call and hear 'Johnny B. Goode' over the phone, or a fragment of it in very low audio quality.

There are two possibilities -- one is the Boostrap, but the other is the opposite of a Boostrap:

1. You hear that song fragment and figure, 'What the hell, it's some punk whose gig is a high school dance, I can flesh out my own version and record it.' So you do. And your own version of the song you heard... is still the song you just heard. You got the idea for your song from hearing your song. Bootstrap.

2. You've already been working on the song on your own -- but then you hear somebody else playing something incredibly similar. You don't want to be accused of ripping off the other guy's work, so you drop it. You never finish. The song never exists. The kid who came back from the future doesn't play it because he never heard of it. Anti-boostrap.

Lorraine only ended up with Biff in the dark 1985 of part 2 because of old Biff giving his younger self the sports book and Biff having George murdered.

That's how he got her in that timeline, sure -- but his original, pre-intervention 1955 self didn't have to go to those lengths. And there's no reason why he wouldn't have except for George laying him out -- which only happened because of Marty's intervention in the timeline. Remember that Marty and his siblings kept fading out of that photo, but that wasn't exclusively because he got in the way of his parents meeting -- it also happened because of George's personality -- the same personality George displayed in the original 1985. Marty's non-existence was never a risk of Marty's behavior, but a risk that arose from his own father's unaltered personality. That last sentence is the crucial point. Without Marty's catalyzing George's personality change, Marty would never have come to exist.
 
Well I disagree. It's pretty clear in the actual movie that George and Lorraine would always have ended up together, albeit with a less happy and fatter family life without Marty's intervention.
 
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