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Will the Jackasses steal another election? GOP appeals Minnesota race...

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
Coleman Files Lawsuit to Contest Minnesota Senate Recount Results
The head of Minnesota's Canvassing Board says it properly counted the votes that gave Al Franken victory in the U.S. Senate race, but Norm Coleman filed a lawsuit Tuesday to dispute the tally of hundreds of absentee ballots.

FOXNews.com
Tuesday, January 06, 2009


Norm Coleman filed a lawsuit Tuesday in a Minnesota court to challenge the results of the state's Senate recount -- a move expected to block Al Franken's path to the U.S. Senate, at least temporarily.

The state Canvassing Board on Monday gave Franken the victory over Coleman, the incumbent senator, by a 225-vote margin, however, Franken was not seated Tuesday in the U.S. Senate because the certification of the race requires seven days for validation.

Coleman told reporters that the Canvassing Board wrongly double-counted some ballots for Franken and accepted 650 absentee ballots that were improperly registered.

"As of today, not every valid vote has been counted and some have been counted twice," Coleman said during an afternoon news conference after filing the suit in Ramsey County Court. "Under Minnesota law, there can be no valid election certificate if an election contest is filed."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Tuesday for the Coleman to concede, but he responded that "this race will be determined by Minnesota voters -- not by Harry Reid."

The Coleman campaign said it is confident that the Republican will emerge the winner once the lawsuit is settles in state court. The lawsuit alleges that the Canvassing Board made mistakes when determining voter intent on challenged ballots, that ineligible voters cast ballots and that some absentee ballots were erroneously opened early, raising chain-of-custody concerns. ...
It's times like this that I miss marathon. See the Dems did this in 2004 in Washington to steal the governor's mansion from Dino Rossi for Christine Gregoire--lotsa dead people voting in Seattle and mysterious absentee ballots. And of course when Rossi initially won and it was appealed by the Dems, they held up the results until the "right" result was reached and then the win was handed to Gregoire. And when the GOP appealed, they didn't get very fucking far.

I'd be interested to know if the DFL juggernaut (Minnesota's flavor of jackass) holds a stranglehold on the courts. Because if they do, look for a repeat of the 2004 Washington governor's race and the GOP to be sent packing while Minnesota gets Stuart Smalley as their next Senator in another stolen election.









PS: This is yet another example of what a Loser Al Gore is (or what a Winner George W. Bush is). Gore couldn't even figure out how to steal the election. And he even had the Supreme Court stacked in his favor at the time.
 
How do you steal an already stolen election?

As for Franken/Coleman, Franken's a moron. But I know from personal experience what a sleazeball Coleman really is. So there's no win/win on this one. It is nice however to see Coleman taking the high ground on this and not costing the Minnesota taxpayers a ton of money by tying this thing up in court like he advised Franken to do before the recount.

Oh wait, another conservative that likes to preach the right thing as long as he doesn't have to do it himself.
 
If the resident moron Sarek dislikes Coleman, that makes him the automatic right choice.
 
You know I wish the republicans would show some balls and start challenging every damn race out there. I don't care if the democrat won every single ballot but one. They ought to start challenging every race and that would put a stop to this kind of bullshit.

But that would require gumption that the republicans haven't shown for years.

:mad:
 
So I wonder how long it will be before Minnesota and Illinois will be able to fill those senate seats?

'cause I don't see any end in site to the messes in either state.
 
You know I wish the republicans would show some balls and start challenging every damn race out there. I don't care if the democrat won every single ballot but one. They ought to start challenging every race and that would put a stop to this kind of bullshit.

But that would require gumption that the republicans haven't shown for years.

:mad:

You do realize that it is Coleman, not Frankin challenging right? Up until now, it's just been the mandatory recount for such a close margin.


Which is why Coleman is being a giant hypocrite. He said Frankin should pull out before the state constitutionally mandated recount to save money, but now he's actually tying the whole thing up in court.
 
I love Nate Silver...
Counties to Coleman: What Part of 'No' Didn't You Understand?

Thus far, the third time hasn't really been the charm for Norm Coleman:

The campaign rests much of its case on 654 absentee ballots that local officials rejected for not complying with state law. Coleman wants the three-judge panel that will hear his lawsuit to include those ballots, most of which come from rural and suburban areas favorable to Republicans.

Although those ballots weren't reviewed by the state Canvassing Board during the recount, some local election officials sifted through them as recently as last week after the suit was filed to see whether some should be counted.

Inquiries to a sampling of those counties and cities show local officials standing by nearly all of their earlier decisions:

• Goodhue and Anoka counties maintained that their combined share of the 654 ballots -- 22 -- should be excluded.

• In Minnetonka, City Clerk David Maeda said he saw no reason to include any of the 14 ballots he reviewed. "I was concerned that I missed some," he said, explaining why he reviewed them after Coleman filed his suit. "I think all [of them] that I looked at were properly rejected."

• Scott County's election supervisor, Mary Kay Kes, said she wouldn't include any of the 32 disputed ballots from there.

• Dakota County's Joel Beckman, the county's chief election official, said he quickly looked through a half-dozen of the 94 ballots Coleman included as part of its list. "Every one of them was rejected for good reason," Beckman said.

• In Stearns County, election chief Walz said more than a dozen ballots Coleman wants reconsidered "were technically deficient without much debate."

• The only county sampled that reported changing its mind was Mower, which decided that signatures for one rejected ballot matched after earlier ruling otherwise. But Auditor-Treasurer Doug Groh defended the rejection of the other ballots.

To review, these are absentee ballots that had already been deemed by the counties to be invalid -- once on Election Night, and then a second time upon the court-ordered re-evaluation of absentees in December. It is not surprising that their minds haven't been changed the third time around. Surely there are a handful of legitimate errors here and there -- and by all rights, they should be identified and counted. But the notion that the counties were manifestly sloppy to the extent that they had 654 false negatives was never credible.

In addition to those cited in the clipping above, Ramsey and Pipestone counties have also re-re-evaluated their absentee ballots, and they also didn't come up with any that they felt differently about. If we put these various anecdotal examples into a running count (making a few educated guesses about the precise tallies in certain counties), we find that Coleman's winning percentage is somewhere in Detroit Lions territory:

County
Ramsey 0/50
Scott 0/32
Goodhue/Anoka 0/22
Stearns 0/15
Minnetonka 0/14
Mower 1/10
Dakota 0/6 (partial count)
Pipestone 0/2
----------------------
Total 1/151 (0.66%)

So far, the counties appear to have sorted through about 150 ballots from Coleman's list of 650, and they've come up with one discrepancy. At this pace, Coleman is on track to get a grand total of ... 4 additional ballots counted. Given his luck, they'll probably turn out to be Franken votes.

To be fair to Coleman, he probably doesn't care very much about what the counties think about these ballots ... his goal will be to have the Court tell someone else to take a look at them (perhaps the Court itself) in the hopes that they'll have a different opinion.

But his batting average simply isn't going to be very high. It sounds like the vast majority of Coleman's complaints concern cases where the signature on the ballot doesn't match the signature on the voter file. This requires some sort of a judgment call, I suppose, but it is nevertheless a perfectly valid reason for rejecting a ballot.

What I suspect Coleman did to come up with his list of 650 is something like this:

- Create a database of all ballots that were rejected for a non-matching signature ... maybe there were 1500 of these or something statewide.

- Run some algorithm to determine the likelihood of each of these 1500 ballots being a vote for Coleman as based on things like the precinct the ballot was cast in, any information Coleman has about the voter in his voter file, and perhaps even the voter's name (you can tell more than you'd think about someone based on their first and last name).

- All ballots determined by this algorithm to have a >50% likelihood of being Coleman votes were included on his list ... there turned out to be about 650 of these.

To be sure, in undergoing this process, Coleman came across a few ballots that almost certainly were rejected in error; these became the examples that he highlighted to the courts and to the media. But it's a bit like that old shtick you'll see in third-rate gangster movies, where the Million Dollar Briefcase turns out to have a few $100s conspicuously placed at the top of the pile concealing a mass of $1s. Coleman has a tip, but no iceberg.
Sometimes, the ballots just don't add up in your favor. Period.
 
Ah, but if you've been following the story, the authorities have been...creative at counting the ballots.

If you have one that has a line through the Norm Coleman bubble, "Other" filled in with Norm Coleman written on the write-in line and NORM COLEMAN written over and over on all the white space of the ballot, they will discard it as "unable to determine the voter's intentions."

On the other hand, if the voter made any sort marks anywhere near the letters A, L, F, R, K, E, or N on the ballot, they've ruled it was a clear sign that they wanted to vote for Al Franken. :bergman:
 
Ah, but if you've been following the story, the authorities have been...creative at counting the ballots.

If you have one that has a line through the Norm Coleman bubble, "Other" filled in with Norm Coleman written on the write-in line and NORM COLEMAN written over and over on all the white space of the ballot, they will discard it as "unable to determine the voter's intentions."

On the other hand, if the voter made any sort marks anywhere near the letters A, L, F, R, K, E, or N on the ballot, they've ruled it was a clear sign that they wanted to vote for Al Franken. :bergman:

You aren't referring to that Fox News story, that has since been removed as the author was making shit up are you?
 
If you have one that has a line through the Norm Coleman bubble, "Other" filled in with Norm Coleman written on the write-in line and NORM COLEMAN written over and over on all the white space of the ballot, they will discard it as "unable to determine the voter's intentions."

I've got to agree with you on this one. There's no way it should have been disqualified as there was a CLEAR intent.

It should be disqualified because who ever cast it was a fucking moron who couldn't vote properly.
 
Lord John Whorfin: Which one of those fucktards is Liet....or are you just inferring that one of them is as stupid as Liet?
Liet is over at WF. We've taken to referring to him as "Captain Corruption", because for all he's bitched and whined about Bush, he's Johnny on the Spot to explain why, when a Democrat does something shitty it isn't his fault.

Say, for example, WF had been around when Marion Berry got caught buying crack. Liet wouldn't have blamed him. He'd have blamed the Bush Administration for entrapping Berry (even though Dubya wasn't even in office at the time). Or he'd have explained that this was just a "cultural misunderstanding". Just really shitty apologist stuff. You know, the kind of thing Sarek would say.
 
You obviously don't know me very well. I hate all politician equally and make no apologies for any of them.

However, when I see some party hardliner like yourself continue to drink the kool aid of denial, I can't help bitch slapping you around a bit.

The bottom line is Bush and the Republicans have screwed the pooch, the American people, and this country for the last 8 years and the American public has noticed and have spoken. And you folks can't handle the fact that your asses have been kicked out of Washington. So rant, rave and scream as hard and as loud as you want. But you did it to yourselves. ;)
 
Lord John Whorfin said:
Yeah. Because only Republicans have had thier fingers in the pie for the last 8 years. Idiot.

Not at all asshat.

The Democrats are just as dirty as the Republicans. In fact, I think I said that.

The difference is, the Republicans are in a state of constant denial about the damage that they've done to this country. And for a group that claims to be the moral compass, the advocates for smaller government and the guardians of family values, you people have redefined the word "hypocrisy".

The title of this topic is a prime example. In 2000 and 2004, you people preached to the Democrats to suck it up and the people have spoken when they claimed that the elections were stolen. Now here you are, doing the exact same thing.

Coleman appeared on public television after the election and told Franken to take the high road and concede so as not to cost the taxpayers of this state millions on recounts and lawsuits. But now that the law has demanded a recount and Coleman appears to have lost, it's a "stolen election" and he's going to cry all the way to the courthouse while blowing his nose with taxpayer money.
A prime example of the Republican mentality the last eight years.
 
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