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Finally saw Star Trek

CaptainWacky

I want to smell dark matter
It was good.

Completely held my attention from start until finish, no slowdown, no boring takly bits (the few talky bits were good), no tehcnobabble that took me out of it (though I don't have a clue what "red matter" is). Yeah, it would have been nice to have a few quieter moments but they had a lot of characters to introduce and move into position so I guess we'll have to wait for the sequel for that.

CHARACTERS

Kirk: Chris Pine did a really good job. He was charismatic and likable even when he was being a bit jerklike. The lines which seemed like they could be cringeworthy from the trailer worked in the context of the movie ("buckle up" being to Bones at the end because he gets spacesick as established earlier and not just some random catchphrase.) Kirk becoming Captain at the end was a bit hard to believe even after he saved Earth. They could have held that back until the next movie. I hope there was at least a month or somethin between his promotion and taking the Enterprise out for the first time at the end. I guess one complaint is it was hard to imagine him bedding a bunch of alien women like Shatner's Kirk (yes there was the Orion but she was a slut anyway apparently) but he's still young.

Spock: Quinto was good. He did seem quite a bit different from the original series Spock. Maybe because he's embraced his human side earlier. He did a good job with the "Spock's emotional but not showing it" scenes like when he was staring at the transporter after his mum didn't make it.

Old Spock: Just seeing Nimoy was great and a bit emotional. And the voiceover at the end was perfect. He did look REALLY old though but I suppose Spock is really old even for a Vulcan. It would be cool if he's in the sequel in a knd of mentor role since Sarek wasn't up to much.

Bones: Karl Urban was perfect. Would have been cool if he'd had more to do and more stuff with Spock but there was one scene with him/Spock and Kirk where they had some pretty good discussion and banter going (or a couple of scenes I'm missing up.)

Uhura: There was a total lack of women in the film so I think they must have beefed her role up as she got quite a lot to do. I think Zoe did a great job and is obviously quite the hottie too so no complaints. Although I would have liked a bit more background on the Spock romance.

Scotty: Pegg did a good job with the accent. I liked the "get tae..." line to his little friend as it sounded authentic. I do think they tried to cram in a bit too much characterisation in too short a time with Scotty though. The "exciting!" bit felt out of place after the tense Kirk/Spock showdown and didn't even get much of a laugh. The "I'm giving her all she's got, cap'n!" was more appreciated. How did he suddenly end up as chief engineer when in the previous scene he'd been operating the transporters? Maybe I missed the chief engineer dying or something. Do you think he was shagging his little friend on Delta Five?

Sulu: Didn't really get enough lines or stand out. The sword fight was a good action sequence.

Chekov: Have to admit I found him annoying. Yes, Chekov was annoing in the original series but this is supposed to be an update so they should have toned down the accent a bit.

Amanda: She got like two lines! I liked Spock's reaction to her death but I expected more.

Sarek: I think he was the biggest disappointment and poorest casting. Didn't feel like Sarek at all. I did like the scene with him telling Spock why he married Amanda but that was just good writing.

Pike: Excellent! One of the best acted characters. Shame he ended up in the wheelchair but at least he can still talk.

Nero: Eric Bana was really good and conveyed quite well that Nero not only didn't give a fuck about anything anymore but that he was also quite mad. His reasons for wanting "revenge" (on the only person who tried to help him) didn't really make much sense but since I got that he was just playing him as someone who lost his mind it was okay. Would have been nice to see more of him.

EFFECTS: Great, obviously! The Enterprise looked great and I want a desktop of it in front of Saturn.

MUSIC: Was good but I was kind of expecting classic Trek music to kick in at times due to CONDITIONING. Like when they first saw the Enterprise I was hearing the TMP music in my head but it never came. The theme at the end was great though.

PLOT STUFF: A bit lacking and some bits were maybe hard to follow (where was the Fleet at the end? why was it just the Enterprise at Earth? I think I missed a line) but the whole mood of the movie was what made it and the characters and performances.

MINOR NIGGLES: The climatic battle could have been more of, well, a battle. The Enterprise didn't really "fight" the Narada though I suppose that makes sense since the Narada would have destroyed. The Jellyfish was cool so I suppose it was fair tha the Narada was defeated by another ship from the late 24th century.

The whole bit with the stolen car was well shot but pointless. They should have just skipped right to Pine's Kirk.

They stole the "there's always a bigger fish" moment from Phantom Menace (and probably any number of movies) and the ice monsters were a bit unnecessary. As was the bit with Scotty in the water pipes.

Would have liked more references to 24th century Trek. Like when Spock mind-meled was COULD have seen a quick flash of Picard or Data or the Enterprise-E or something (really quick). And the black Vulcan with him could have been Tuvok. Or something.

BUT ON THE WHOLE IT WAS PRETTY FUCKING GREAT and about as good a relaunch for Trek as could be hoped for. HURRY UP AND MAKE THE SEQUEL.
 
How did he suddenly end up as chief engineer when in the previous scene he'd been operating the transporters? Maybe I missed the chief engineer dying or something.

The previous Chief Engineer was Chief Engineer Olsen, who was the redshirt who died on the orbital jump.
 
I'm so glad you finally saw it! It was really a fantastically fun movie to watch, even if some of it was a little wtf?

I wonder if Scotty's little friend will be in the next movie. I hope he is, and that he is explained. That is one area where the movie could have been improved by having a TV series ahead of it.
 
I STILL NEED TO SEE IT! :wah!:








ETA: lol niggles
 
GET TO THE THEATER!
 
I've just been reading about the cut scenes, apparently young Kirks step dad made him polish the car over and over, saying that if he came back and there was one speck of dust on it, he would beat him senseless.

I didn't realise Olson was chief engineer, until someone else mentioned it before Tomtrek today, it wasn't an easy thing to spot in the film, although I did hear the CMO died, which is why McCoy was running sickbay.
 
Weird. I thought it was his uncle's car?
see, I need to watch it ONE MORE time!
 
Maybe it was, not sure, still it gives me a good excuse to go see it again to find out
 
Step dad would make more sense since his mum survived, but I thought it was his uncle for some reason too.

Anyway, I saw it today at last as well and I absolutely loved it! It really lived up to the hype and to all my expectations I've built up reading about it the last few years.

I thought they took care of the alternate dimension aspect very well, pretty much sweeping aside any complaints people would have (although if you really think about it, it still wouldn't quite make sense).

The characters were all pretty good. Chekov (can he pronounce his own name?) was played for laughs a little too much, but I found it funny so I don't mind.

Spock's battle between emotion and logic has never been portrayed better than in this film, IMO. The moment he lost his mother made me feel a bit tearful, but then something probably exploded and I moved on...

I thought Sarek was pretty good. Certainly not as subtle as Mark Leonard's version, but he had a commanding presence and I too liked what he said about his wife.

Kirk was more or less perfect, imo. He seems just as I'd imagine the Shat's Kirk at that age, although they played up the "player" thing a bit much. At least by the time of TOS Kirk had toned down his chat up lines and stopped staring at every single mildly hot girl to walk past.

The effects were incredible and actually made me forget how bad the Enterprise is at times. They were just showing off by the time it got to the visuals on the credit sequence.

Things I didn't like or thought could have been developed more were the red matter thing which I mouthed a big old "WTF?!" to. Far as I could tell it wasn't even mentioned until more than half way through. It felt like an afterthought. Maybe a writer's strike issue?

Uhura's Orion roomy and a whole bunch of the cadets other friends died (basically the more retarded ones that couldn't get posts on the Enterprise, right? :p). Nobody gave a shit. Maybe there'll be a deleted scene where Kirk shows remorse that he never got to shag the green one. Also, since so many cadets got killed, I wonder how they filled up the lecture hall at the end?

I didn't like the mind meld with Nimoy Spock. I felt it rather forced, the kind of thing Joss Whedon would criticise for being "over expositiony". Like everything else, though, it was well directed and I liked that Kirk got some emotional reverberations.

Like Wacky said, what the hell happened to the fleet at the end? I know they were meeting somewhere other than Earth, but I couldn't figure out why. Maybe I missed something, but they knew where Nero was attacking next, didn't they? Earth could at least have evacuated people.

I wondered how Spock got to Scotty's outpost on Delta Vega. Surely Nero didn't plonk the guy who knew all his plans right near a Starfleet facility? Maybe Spock used his science mojo to figure it out, I dunno... Oh and how could Spock see Vulcan so clearly from there anyway? Even on the official movie site they point out that Vulcan has no moons. Oh and one more thing, since Vulcan was so close, wouldn't Delta Vega have had loads of violent gravitational issues and stuff?

Oh well anyway, I liked it even if it didn't make sense some of the time.
 
I think Delta Vega must be the next nearest planet to Vulcan in the same system.

Kirk did bang the green girl, she was the lead programmer on the kobiashi maru, thats who he got to reprogram the thing.

Another deleted scene we can look forward too.

Most of the deleted scenes explain gaps in the film.

Like how after the Kelvin crashed into the Nerada, the klingons boarded and took nero and his men prisoner, and threw them on rura pentha.(where Nero picked up his ear injury)

They escaped 25 years later, destroyed a bunch of klingon ships (this bit still referenced in the movie) and took the nerada back to wait for Spock.
 
It was his step-dads car, and that's who we hear call him on the car phone (played by Matt Parkman, FYI). There were also scenes shot of Kirk's uncle, but they were cut.
 
ALSO now that they know that star is gonig to going to destroy Romulus in 2387 (or whatever) surely they can prepare and destroy it with the red matter before it can destroy Romulus? And then Nero will have no reason to go back in time, this timeline will be erased AND THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE WILL BE RESTORED WITH NEELIX AND MOOGIE AND EVERYTHING.
 
One other thing. They must be saving the bit where someone falls through the glass panels on the bridge for the sequel.
 
The only thing I whispered to one of the people I saw it with about Scotty's little friend was , "He's a Crustacean!"
 
ALSO now that they know that star is gonig to going to destroy Romulus in 2387 (or whatever) surely they can prepare and destroy it with the red matter before it can destroy Romulus? And then Nero will have no reason to go back in time, this timeline will be erased AND THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE WILL BE RESTORED WITH NEELIX AND MOOGIE AND EVERYTHING.

They aren't using a straight timeline idea (Grandfather paradox) They're using what the current model of temporal dynamics theorizes. Every action creates an alternate reality. There is no way they could restore the timeline, because it's a different timeline.
 
So when you role a dice there are six different universes that branch off, one for every possible result of the dice.
 
Although in Trek before they've always been able to "reset" the timeline (Voyager's Year Of Hell, DS9's The Visitor etc) so it's a pretty big change. Then again there's the Mirror Universe which does point to some kind of Star Trek Multiverse.

Maybe Q preseves all the original timelines out of a sense of nostalgia.
 
Maybe all the other times they were able to reset the timeline without creating alternate dimensions, but this particular type of wormhole/black hole thing has different 'rules'.
 
I agree with everything you wrote here, other than I have even fewer quibbles.

On the whole I really agree with your bottom line: this was probably the BEST POSSIBLE way to re-set the Star Trek universe, and I am hella stoked for what comes next.
 
So when you role a dice there are six different universes that branch off, one for every possible result of the dice.

Yep. btw Abrams is also using this alternate dimension/aternate timeline idea on Fringe.

"Deja vu is merely a glimpse into the alternate dimension. But what if we could actually travel into the alternate dimension?"

-Walter Bishop.
 
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