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Star Trek:VOYAGER - why the hate?

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Aquehonga

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Haters explain.
 
Yeah haters what have you got against the Borg, TITS, Seven of Nine, TITS, Q, TITS, Tuvok, TITS, Neelix, TITS, Chakotay, TITS, Kes, TITS, and Garrett Wang.

Ok that last one may be valid.:bigass:
 
Because for the vast majority of the series the writing wasn't just bad it was atrocious.


The premise of the show was a good one but it was as if the writers went out of their way to strip any potentially interesting elements out of it.

Let's start with the Maquis. It's a good idea to merge the crews since it opens up a lot of interesting avenues for storytelling down the road. The rigid professionalism of Starfleet having to assimilate a bunch of freedom fighters/terrorists in to their ranks screams drama and conflict. But no. The writers pussy out of that idea immediately and after one episode where the Maquis act like petulant children and Tuvok turns them in to fighting fit Starfleet officers the matter is all but dropped with only a few references in the next 7 years.

And what about the Delta Quadrant itself? OK, so you have this cool premise. The ship has been flung 75,000 ly from home and we're in the depths of unexplored space. Great! The writers can start from scratch and carve out a unique feel to this new Quadrant!

Yeah, like fuck..

The Delta Quadrant played out exactly the same way as the Alpha Quadrant just devoid of any of the iconic species like the Klingons and Romulans which wouldn't matter to the writers anyway because they would over the course of the series start to shoehorn more and more from the AQ in to the show until they had totally blown their wad and had a holographic Barcalay on the ship and were in constant contact with Starfleet and spent their time fighting legal battles with publishers and trying to get one over on Ferengi criminals trying to steal Seven's nanobots. :phpneutral:


And what about the Borg? Scorpion parts 1 & 2 were definitely above average (especially for Voyager) and the story came off pretty well but it is marred by being the start of the "Borg era" which would see the Borg become totally and utterly pussified.

Voyager herself went from a modern but lightly armed ship - clocking in at half the size of a Galaxy class starship and only actually outfitted with 38 torps when she left DS9 to head for the badlands - to the baddest Borg killing super ship in teh galaxy!!!1

The way Voyager cut swaths through the Borg was an insult to one of the most iconic and original races introduced to Star Trek. And it just got worse and worse with a myriad of two parters dealing with the Borg. Borg kids, Borg Refugees, Future Borg, Borg emotional breakdowns, Borg dreams, Borg tits and everything else in between. OK, the last one was welcome.


Now on to the reset button:

The writers on Voyager (read: total fucking hacks) loved to use this old staple. At the end of every episode the reset switch would be flipped so casual fans who suffered from ADHD watching at home wouldn't get confused. Yet another huge missed opportunity.

Their was no continuity at all. No matter how much damage Voyager took by the next episode you knew that we would be back to the old stock footage of the shiny Intrepid class cruiser flying through maddeningly dull DQ space. They even mocked themselves in this respect with Year of Hell.

The whole show was one huge missed opportunity. Bad writing is to blame. They didn't have the guts to take the show where its high concept premise deserved. Everything was dumbed down so that they could more easily rifle through the boxes of aborted TNG scripts they had. Ronald D. Moore joined the writing staff on Voyager and wanted to do something interesting with the show but ultimately left a few weeks later when he realized what colossal cunts Berman and Braga really were. That should tell you everything alone.

Look, Voyager had some good episodes. It even delivered a few classics. But by and large it churned out total processed shit and stuck a pretty box on it week in week out.

Is that good enough?
 
Because they were so set on getting a "name" actress to play the main lead, they didnt figure they needed anyone else who could act, so they filled the cast with pretty boys and girls with the acting ability of laminate flooring, then at the last moment decided they better get some average looking people who could act, one would end up being the best charcter in the show, the other would be saddled with playing a peodophile.

Then after only one day of filming their big name turned out to be shite, and they ended up replacing her with a Katherine Hepburn soundalike with a school teacher haircut.

They set up a premis that would offer conflict between the crew, then stiffled that after about 3 episodes.

Then they wrote a bunch of shit episodes for the next 7 years gradually eroding the trek fanbase to the point where when a new series that was marginally better than voyager came on, there wasnt enough fans left to keep it on the air.

Sure 7 of 9 was fit, but at the end of the day they replaced one pretty girl who couldnt act with another one, but with big knockers
 
worst part was the seven of nine /chakotay love story thrown in the last few episodes, hmmm that worked....

I felt at times the borg were dumbed down, I mean remember the start of star trek :first contact, literally earth is throwing the kitchen sink to stop one borg cube, yet janeway in her volkswagon class ship can take on hives, and thats before all that armour upgrade shit, which completely shifts the alpha quadrant balance when she gets back imo.

It had some nice moments, but I also found it lacked the epic arcs of DS9, and i know its because they are not a stationary object, but I liked the hirogen ( who also suffered from being dumbed down and cutesyfied) ,

maybe the writers wanted to be more uplifting, during and after DS9 dominion wars, but I felt it was all getting to nice and morally snobby, and just down right slow at times...and that transferred to enterprise and that shite suffered for it..

My thoughts, feel free to crush them..
 
I think Mentalist said it all, really.
 
I liked Voyager but some of the characters always annoyed me. I hated Neelix, he looked like a clown. I didn't like Kes either, too goody two shoes. In fact the entire show was just too goody two shoes for me. I did enjoy Janeway's bun.
 
I was just going to post "because it sucked" and now I feel shamed by all the longer posts.
 
No, thats valid too.
 
Spike is showing it at 3AM again. I watched "The Voyager Conspiracy" last night, and it exemplified everything that sucked aboot the show.

The whole conflict in the premise ended up being a malfunction in Seven's cortical implant, and Janeway (our hero) resolved it by beaming from VOY to the Delta Flyer at max warp, and talking sweetly to Seven like a mom in order to get her to surrender and get treatment.

WTF.
 
So much of that show is lost to my long gone failing memory, and I dont really miss it.
 
i watched it as a child.

couldnt get enough.

the later seasons were nicer, though YES THE WRITING WAS HORRIBLE.

i liked the delta flyer arc, where they have to race another ship to build a ship, brilliant.

the doctor's EMOTIONS/DAYDREAMS LOL was retarded.
 
At least Voyager was better than Deep Space Nine
 
How does a ship, capable of only Warp 9 for a short period, manage to survive being tossed over 75,000 light-years intact? Remember, it travelled this distance in a matter of seconds. Remember all that shit about Warp 10 being the maximum? Fucking American morons and their 'science'.
 
Janeway's bun.
 
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