Colin Powell on MTP endorses Obama this morning

[FBI parte due]

I think it's sad that Obama has to assert that he's not Muslim.

Why the fuck is that even an issue?

 

[eloisel]

I think it's sad that Obama has to assert that he's not Muslim.

Why the fuck is that even an issue?

I'm not terribly surprised that people might be concerned that he was a Muslim. We already have enough problems with some Muslims considering us infidels who should be killed for their own glory in heaven. Should Obama be an apostate, and this nation led by an apostate, that would probably make our relations with muslims even worse.

Considering our recent and not too distant problems with Muslims, the problems other countries have had or are having with Muslims, and the problems Muslims have in their own countries, I can also understand why people in this country would be concerned about a Muslim running this country with executive orders and all that at his disposal.

 

[FBI parte due]

I don't see why his social affiliations should be of concern to us, especially considering how much vetting presidential candidates get. By now, we know that he's not going to rip off his mask as soon as he's in office to reveal OSAMA HUSSEIN O'BOMBA, THE MUSLIM SUPERVILLAIN.

Surprisingly few imams endorse the "DEATH TO AMERICA" policy, and the heads most Muslim states (with the exceptions of Iran and Libya, of course) are more concerned with power-gaming than they are being Muslim, anyways. Hussein wouldn't be an "apostate" and even if he were it wouldn't be a barrier in diplomacy.

 

[eloisel]

He would be an apostate if he had been Muslim and now he denies it, in addition to some of the things he says that are heresy for a Muslim. Even Muslims that might harbor no ill will towards the US and non-Muslims in general might have to rethink Obama if he were apostate.

 

[FBI parte due]

We're talking about a hypothetical fantasy where he is actually a Muslim, though, not a hypothetical fantasy world where he's a Muslim who denies his faith, though.

 

[FBI parte due]

Any president for whom it could be proven that he had denied his faith (no matter which one) would probably be a diplomatic liability, admittedly.

 

[Hero1000]

Thi is a Christian nation. Only Christians should be prsident.

*blank stare*

 

[eloisel]

We're talking about a hypothetical fantasy where he is actually a Muslim, though, not a hypothetical fantasy world where he's a Muslim who denies his faith, though.

Actually, that isn't quite true. Both his father and his step-father are/were Muslim. He lived a portion of his youth in a Muslim country and attended a Muslim school. He also attended a Catholic school part of the time when he was young and his mother is/was not a Muslim. It would not be fantasy for him to have been a Muslim until he chose to become a Christian in his 20s. It would not be fantasy for him to not have chosen a personal religion for himself although he had been raised with the beliefs and the core values of both Muslim and Catholic.

 

[Alyssum]

And why would that be a detriment to him being President?

Because Bush was able to foment Muslim fear on us with his phoney 9/11 construct? Most Muslim's aren't even fanatical.

Stop being spoonfed so much. Most of what you're talking about is MADE UP Wheezie.

 

[Cassie]

I think it is sad that Powell thinks he has to defend Obama's religious background. I think it is sad that not only does Powell think he has to defend Obama's religious background, he thinks he has to boost Obama's cred by stating he was always Christian. That means he doesn't even know the guy he is supporting because Obama wrote in one of his books that he did not become a Christian until he was in his 20s. That really isn't surprising considering his family background and early life. That doesn't mean he is a terrorist or a bad person. But, it makes me wonder why Powell is supporting Obama. Is it just because he is black or to spite Bush and/or the Republican party? Those are not good reasons for a person to be President of the US, especially at this point in time.

I am not sad that Clay is gay. He is too young for me. I never date anyone younger than my children.

Why is it that Powell's comments on Obama's religious beliefs stick in your head, but everything else he said evaporated?

Did you know that Christopher Buckley also endorses Obama? http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama

 

[eloisel]

And why would that be a detriment to him being President?

Because Bush was able to foment Muslim fear on us with his phoney 9/11 construct? Most Muslim's aren't even fanatical.

Stop being spoonfed so much. Most of what you're talking about is MADE UP Wheezie.

Well, consider what Salman Rushdie has endured since he was declared apostate because he wrote the Satanic Verses. The fatwa calling for his death is still valid. Then consider the car burnings in France and the riots over a cartoon, etc. Bush really doesn't need to foment Muslim fear as they are working that angle pretty good themselves.

One of my Pakistani friends has lived in America for almost 30 years. He has a lot of family still in Pakistan and they occasionally come here for a year or so at a time. They are respectful to us because we are not Muslim and we are not in their country. One of the young Pakistani women we knew went kind of wild here in the US. She returned to Pakistan to visit with her family. They were bound to kill her because of her sexual activities so her brothers took her out and killed her.

Sorry, sweetums. You might want to worry about that big ass ladle in your mouth before worrying about the baby spoon that I use occasionally to delicately dine on heart healthy, cholesterol reducing sugar free oatmeal.

 

[eloisel]

Why is it that Powell's comments on Obama's religious beliefs stick in your head, but everything else he said evaporated?

His comments on Obama's beliefs are what I heard. I did not hear anything else he said about Obama so there was nothing of that to evaporate or to comment on. You might consider that I wrote that post from my point of view - not yours.

What did Powell say about Obama that you think overshadows the fact that Powell was at the time ignorant about his boy concerning the very thing he thought he was defending him about?

Did you know that Christopher Buckley also endorses Obama? http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama

I know it now. So what? I don't know anything about Christopher and not much about William F. If you'd like to comment on his opinion, you don't need my approval.

 

[Cassie]

What makes you think I was asking for your approval? I posted that to show you that other well known conservatives are jumping ship, for the same reasons Powell did. It has nothing to do with Obama's religious beliefs. So what if Powell mistakenly believes Obama was a Christian all along? I don't even know if that is a mistake, because I haven't read Obama's book and I don't trust the right wing propaganda.. perhaps Obama didn't consider himself a true Christian until he was saved. I have no idea, and it isn't important.

Here's an excerpt from the transcript of the interview with Colin Powell. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/page/2/
And I've also been disappointed, frankly, by some of the approaches that Senator McCain has taken recently, or his campaign ads, on issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about. This Bill Ayers situation that's been going on for weeks became something of a central point of the campaign. But Mr. McCain says that he's a washed-out terrorist. Well, then, why do we keep talking about him? And why do we have these robocalls going on around the country trying to suggest that, because of this very, very limited relationship that Senator Obama has had with Mr. Ayers, somehow, Mr. Obama is tainted. What they're trying to connect him to is some kind of terrorist feelings. And I think that's inappropriate.

Now, I understand what politics is all about. I know how you can go after one another, and that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Governor Palin has indicated a further rightward shift. I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration. I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.