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Dollhouse cancelled

"Did I fall asleep?"

"Yes, and our show got canceled because of it."
 
I don't think the scripts suffered that much. The premise to me, whilst fascinating, was flawed. They developed Echo's rejection of the memory wipes so fast in the first season, that she was effectively swiss cheesed by the end of it. The unaired future episode summed up that they wanted to give the show a finish, which was effectively wiped pun not intended) by its renewal.

They could have gone another way - having her swiss cheese much more often from the outset, and actually agreeing to stick with the programme could have been interesting - kind of like a Sam Beckett / Quantum Leap like premise.

I don't know - I'll still pick up Season 2 on DVD, but it probably won't be as good as the first season.
 
Babylon 5 sucked. (I never watched it...well, never stayed awake to watch it...maybe because Channel 4 showed it at 2am or maybe because it was boring...I don't know.)

She bought her own (well formed) presence to the show, and there's nothing to say that the show would have been better with anyone else as the lead.

Amy Acker.
 
Babylon 5 sucked. (I never watched it...well, never stayed awake to watch it...maybe because Channel 4 showed it at 2am or maybe because it was boring...I don't know.)

Heretic! Ok, so seasons one and five sucked, but the middle three were excellent.
 
LIKE I SAID, I never watched it, and the asshole Babylon 5 fans at school making fun of me for liking Star Trek instead didn't help.
 
The unaired epilogue made me think the show actually had a shelf life of maybe three seasons. Meh. I'll heartily agree that this was no Firefly, but all the same it held enough of the magic for me to be interested. The real problem was none the magic had anything at all to do with Echo.
 
Heretic! Ok, so seasons one and five sucked, but the middle three were excellent.

The show as a whole was good. I liked season 1. I can't remember much about season 5 to be honest.
 
LIKE I SAID, I never watched it, and the asshole Babylon 5 fans at school making fun of me for liking Star Trek instead didn't help.

Rest easy Captain.

Just remember that those cruel children have images such as this:
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burning in their cold hearts now.
 
Heretic! Ok, so seasons one and five sucked, but the middle three were excellent.

I wouldn't say sucked but yeah after the Vorlons and Shadows left it did kinda go downhill.
 
I still haven't seen any Dollhouse, but I'm quite curious. Especially since pretty much everyone says Eliza Duckshoe's acting sucked. What was wrong with it generally? Just boring?
 
She's just kinda wooden and dead behind the eyes.
 
All her life is in her tits.
 
If you mean what was wrong with the show, I guess it was that the concept didn't quite hold up to too much scrutiny at times. I think that was because the concept of the show was created around the idea of having Eliza Dushku starring in a show where she'd get to play lots of different characters, rather than being a really great idea that HAD to be made. But I still liked it, they were doing a good job explaining some of the earlier problmes and expanding on the concept. Dushku wasn't great, not quite as BAD as people (even me sometimes) make out, but considering she was supposed to be playing a different person every week (generally speaking) they were all quite samey.

The other characters are interesting particuarly Topher (though I hated him at first), Boyd, Sierra (played by KATYA FROM NEIGHBOURS, FUDDLEMIFF) and Victor (who was really good at playing the multiple characters.) And Amy Acker guest starred in a lot of episodes and she's cool.
 
Kinda had the same problem the remake of Bionic Woman had. Whereas the lead was wooden, I would have totally watched the show if Katee Sackhoff's character had been the main lead, much like if Amy Acker had been the main gal.
 
One of the big problems (besides Dushku's horrible acting) was that they used the "doll" tech for really stupid things. They could program these people to be geniuses, super spies, super athletes.. really just about anything, but they constantly programmed the dolls for sex, sex with Duckshoe, sex. Hiring a doll was supposed to be really expensive, but they had one episode where a doll was used to be a fucking midwife or something.. just a waste really. Who needs a "doll" when if you had that kind of money you could hire the most expert doctor in the world to deliver your baby?

If the show had fewer frivolous episodes and more of the ones that made sense, then I think it would have been a success. Plus they made characters like Topher unbearable in the first season, and didn't explain why he was so unbearable until it was too late. Also losing Amy Acker was a big mistake.. her character was much more interesting than Echo. Don't even get me started on Helo, he was a terrible actor on BSG and even worse on Dollhouse.
 
Plus, they had that one with a college lecturer hiring a doll, now unless they get paid a lot more in america then they do over here it would take a lecturer about 20 years to get that kind of money.
 
Maybe they were having a sale that day.
 

Sometimes, people should just stop trying to think

Not one mention of the guy's race issues? Really? Okay, I love me some "Buffy," "Angel" and "Firefly" as much as the next person, but seriously. Joss Whedon's California has no Latinos, and apparently only has four black people, only one of which got out of the two series alive. His "hyperfeminism" and race issues intersect ever-so-delightfully when it comes to women of color; the man can't dispose of them to enhance a white character or male character's arc fast enough. (Gunn's sister, any Slayers that weren't white except Kennedy, making the original African Slayer the foil to Buffy's goodness in all of her appearances. Yeah, no pattern there at all.) Then the pinnacle in "Firefly," when he created a universe where there are planets with names like Jiangyin, everyone speaks Mandarin, lots of people eat with chopsticks, and the good guys and bad guys alike quote fictitious Eastern philosophers, but there are no freakin' Asian people. It's a universe where the Chinese must have lived at one time, but...are mysteriously gone now, for no apparent reason. Except, of course, for two lurking in the background one time, literally barbecuing puppies. So while I think your analysis is mostly spot on...you forgot one. ;-)

Sure. Whedon wrote Blazing Saddles too. Didn't you know that?
 
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