The Dork Lord
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Wyldwolf says:
that was an interesting troll attempt the other day...
beauty incarnate says:
what troll attempt?
Wyldwolf says:
the vets thing
Wyldwolf says:
seemd like it backfired tho
beauty incarnate says:
what troll attempt?
beauty incarnate says:
explain dorklord
beauty incarnate says:
i've got like six at the mo
beauty incarnate says:
and i've got temp ban or ban on most
beauty incarnate says:
just been kicked from ukchatterbox
beauty incarnate says:
i use the same system - attack authority
beauty incarnate says:
so which one?
beauty incarnate says:
:?)
beauty incarnate says:
Wyldwolf says:
you seriously don't remember the whole veterans thread
Wyldwolf says:
on tk?
beauty incarnate says:
oh i thought you mean't vets on mansonusa
beauty incarnate says:
i was attacking vets there
beauty incarnate says:
and vets on ukchatterbox
beauty incarnate says:
it's just my tactic to attack vets
beauty incarnate says:
to undermine their authority
beauty incarnate says:
i could have gone in to more depth on tk
beauty incarnate says:
i just didn't realize how patriotic you all were
beauty incarnate says:
didn't see the point
beauty incarnate says:
was somewhat dissapointed
Wyldwolf says:
I'm not really patriotic, but I'm proud of what I did
Wyldwolf says:
*shrugs*
beauty incarnate says:
yeah but you know never to get personal about stuff
Wyldwolf says:
it does seem like you pulled out a little early tho
beauty incarnate says:
I just felt I touched nerves
beauty incarnate says:
and to be honest, no one should have had nerves to touch
beauty incarnate says:
it should have been like water off a ducks back
beauty incarnate says:
unfortunatley TK remains just that - a forum for ex trouble makers form some star trek forum
beauty incarnate says:
it's not for me
beauty incarnate says:
i can't be LR any more
beauty incarnate says:
since i don't even pretend to be a guy any more
beauty incarnate says:
i like to trouble make all over the place
beauty incarnate says:
and it has to be in universal terms so i don't have to explain prior knowledge about the "meme" or "story" in question
beauty incarnate says:
and the universal, if somewhat punk theme i choose is "fuck authority"
beauty incarnate says:
find any glitch in authority and turn people against it
beauty incarnate says:
that's what I do
Wyldwolf says:
heh
beauty incarnate says:
as soon as TK started "remembering" the war dead
Wyldwolf says:
I was a teenager too
beauty incarnate says:
i just felt "WTF? this palce is dead"
beauty incarnate says:
not really
beauty incarnate says:
seriously
beauty incarnate says:
remembering war dead?
beauty incarnate says:
never ever do anything seriously on the internet
beauty incarnate says:
especially with regards to fundamental values like remembering the dead
beauty incarnate says:
it just opens itself for attack
Wyldwolf says:
that's one of the fundemental differences between us
beauty incarnate says:
that's why I can't stand the place
beauty incarnate says:
what is it?
Wyldwolf says:
I've always been at least 75% honest about myself
Wyldwolf says:
and yet I remain immune to all attack
Wyldwolf says:
because I simply don't give a fuck what others think
beauty incarnate says:
Why be honest?
beauty incarnate says:
It spoils the creativity
Wyldwolf says:
not at all
beauty incarnate says:
it's more fun and creative to invent things
beauty incarnate says:
that's why I got in to this
Wyldwolf says:
it's fun when you tell people the truth
beauty incarnate says:
to express myself via creativity
Wyldwolf says:
and they refuse to believe you
beauty incarnate says:
no it isn't
beauty incarnate says:
the myth is gone
beauty incarnate says:
the "mystery" dispelled
Wyldwolf says:
IMO it only adds to it
Wyldwolf says:
people never know what to believe
beauty incarnate says:
oh I've told the truth here and there
beauty incarnate says:
paul has revealed the truths here and there
beauty incarnate says:
truths that were true
beauty incarnate says:
tuths that i made up
beauty incarnate says:
it doesn't matter
beauty incarnate says:
I find honest people on the internet boring
beauty incarnate says:
that's why I fuck with them
beauty incarnate says:
I just expected better from TK than remembering the war dead
beauty incarnate says:
that's for statesmen to do to look proud of themselves
beauty incarnate says:
people join the army for a reason
beauty incarnate says:
you know that the iraqi heroes came to london, marching and no one turned up?
beauty incarnate says:
the newspaperrs made out it was a disgrace
beauty incarnate says:
but the fact is this - no one gives a shit
beauty incarnate says:
and if people join the army to go fight, don't expet society to stick back in the past and wave flags on their heroic return
Wyldwolf says:
you don't have to tell me no one cares
beauty incarnate says:
if that's all they went in to the army for, they' really are small
Wyldwolf says:
if they did, 1/3 of america's homeless wouldn't be vets
Wyldwolf says:
that's why it matters
Wyldwolf says:
if tk or some asshole celeb says something about the vets it matters
beauty incarnate says:
why does it matter?
beauty incarnate says:
because they were mislead?
beauty incarnate says:
so should i feel sympathy for the manson killers for being mislead?
beauty incarnate says:
only simple people join the army willingly to fight in wars
beauty incarnate says:
history proves this
Wyldwolf says:
here's the thing you don't get:
you're not special raffles
there's a million dimestore philosphopers out there
beauty incarnate says:
I'd only go to Sandhurst if I was going to do anything i the army
Wyldwolf says:
a lot of them are in the military
beauty incarnate says:
I must have really hit a raw nerve dorklord
beauty incarnate says:
that's all I can say
Wyldwolf says:
you think everyone in there is a brainwashed powerjock
beauty incarnate says:
here you are still going on about a few empty phrases i posted on a forum
Wyldwolf says:
but they're not
beauty incarnate says:
because you're in the military
beauty incarnate says:
and are oh so proud of it
beauty incarnate says:
so what, why should i feel pride on your behalf?
Wyldwolf says:
some of the smartest most creative people I met were in the service
beauty incarnate says:
why should i respect you for the things you feel are respect worthy?
Wyldwolf says:
only difference is they have the strength of character to put their lives on the line
Wyldwolf says:
for your behalf
beauty incarnate says:
my behalf?
beauty incarnate says:
that's strange...
Wyldwolf says:
while you snort coke and fuck emo girlz
beauty incarnate says:
i didn't realize they were marching up the channel tunnel
beauty incarnate says:
about to destory my liberty..
beauty incarnate says:
...what is this?
beauty incarnate says:
that's an empty argument used by numbskulls
beauty incarnate says:
that you "fight for my freedom"
Wyldwolf says:
ok
beauty incarnate says:
Pankhurst did more for liberty than the military
beauty incarnate says:
the military has been the one force that's done the opposite for liberty
Wyldwolf says:
so all those terrorist attacks are just yankin your chain
beauty incarnate says:
if Fighting Hitler is your only precedant...
beauty incarnate says:
seriously
Wyldwolf says:
you're in no danger at all
beauty incarnate says:
that's all it comes down to
beauty incarnate says:
WW2
beauty incarnate says:
WW2 - military fights Hitler
beauty incarnate says:
thus the military is the vanguard of liberty
beauty incarnate says:
sorry that's a american neo con viepoint
beauty incarnate says:
and i'm far too British to go with it
Wyldwolf says:
disband your military
Wyldwolf says:
and see how british you are
beauty incarnate says:
no, the military is just there to protect national sovreignty
beauty incarnate says:
not british liberty
beauty incarnate says:
liberty is in the hands of cosmopolitan times
beauty incarnate says:
types?8
beauty incarnate says:
who don't have a fear of homosexuals, blacks or immigrants
beauty incarnate says:
i prefer to have liberals in charge of liberty
beauty incarnate says:
and military types in charge of wars
Wyldwolf says:
there would be no liberty without the soldiers tho
beauty incarnate says:
that's a lie
beauty incarnate says:
liberty is just a viewpoint we accustome with current liberty
beauty incarnate says:
liberty is different for different people
Wyldwolf says:
mankind has proved time and again it's not ready for peace
beauty incarnate says:
your view of libety would be crushed
beauty incarnate says:
but another view would replace it
Wyldwolf says:
there's no profit in it
beauty incarnate says:
it's just politics
beauty incarnate says:
wars are political
beauty incarnate says:
no one ever went to war for liberties sake
beauty incarnate says:
every interpol student will tell you that
Wyldwolf says:
sure they would
Wyldwolf says:
they're not american
beauty incarnate says:
perhaps if more people who considered joining the military did international politics they wouldn't be so rash with these empty slogans
beauty incarnate says:
you don't fight for liberty - you fight with regards to the will of the government
beauty incarnate says:
and since when did any governmet go to war for the sake of liberty?
beauty incarnate says:
it has always been for political or geopolitical interests
Wyldwolf says:
perhaps if more politicians weren't puppets to the corparations then war wouldn't be needed
beauty incarnate says:
never liberty
beauty incarnate says:
that's a total farce
Wyldwolf says:
but they are
Wyldwolf says:
so it is
beauty incarnate says:
corporations?
beauty incarnate says:
you sound more like a bolshevik
beauty incarnate says:
perhaps you should join marxist warriors in south america
beauty incarnate says:
they may have use for your type
Wyldwolf says:
heh
Wyldwolf says:
I might not agree with everything my country does
Wyldwolf says:
but I was willing to die for it
Wyldwolf says:
that's the difference
beauty incarnate says:
i wouldn't die for mine
beauty incarnate says:
i'd run off to switzerland
beauty incarnate says:
all that matters is me
beauty incarnate says:
i don't care about "national" boundries
beauty incarnate says:
all i want is to live
Wyldwolf says:
you have nothing worth defending
Wyldwolf says:
friends?
Wyldwolf says:
family?
Wyldwolf says:
guess not...
Wyldwolf says:
ah
Wyldwolf says:
wb
beauty incarnate says:
cut off
beauty incarnate says:
as we were saying
beauty incarnate says:
I don't feel that inclined to devote my earthly existace to soul because my "countries flag" flies over it
Wyldwolf says:
what of friends
Wyldwolf says:
family
Wyldwolf says:
?
beauty incarnate says:
friends and family?
beauty incarnate says:
my friends agree with me
beauty incarnate says:
my friends would never join the military
beauty incarnate says:
not one of my friends believe in that patriotic crap
beauty incarnate says:
you've got to understand dude, only americans in the whole of the western world cling on to this fanatical patriotism
Wyldwolf says:
would you die defending your friends
Wyldwolf says:
or family
beauty incarnate says:
in europe we had two world wars that showed us the error of patriotism
Wyldwolf says:
that is the question
beauty incarnate says:
family and friends yes
beauty incarnate says:
the rest of the country can go fuck itself
beauty incarnate says:
and when we say family
beauty incarnate says:
i only mean my immediate family
Wyldwolf says:
well why do you think I joined?
Wyldwolf says:
or anyone?
Wyldwolf says:
it's not for some ideal
beauty incarnate says:
and let's be honest, terrorists arenm't going to kill your family
beauty incarnate says:
this is a joke
Wyldwolf says:
it's for those we love
beauty incarnate says:
stop spouting this fucking ultra-american-patriotic bullshit
beauty incarnate says:
it's like dollywood
beauty incarnate says:
or something
beauty incarnate says:
i love myself above all things
Wyldwolf says:
hehe
beauty incarnate says:
my survival is all that matters
beauty incarnate says:
you only die for your flesh and blood
beauty incarnate says:
your own children
beauty incarnate says:
that's all you die for
beauty incarnate says:
that's the only natural instinct
Wyldwolf says:
so you're a selfish coward who believes in nothing
beauty incarnate says:
unless artifically it's indoctrinated in you
beauty incarnate says:
i've seen so much proapganda films
beauty incarnate says:
from nazi propaganda
Wyldwolf says:
to sum up
beauty incarnate says:
to post war american propaganda
beauty incarnate says:
soviet propaganda
beauty incarnate says:
it's all the same thing
beauty incarnate says:
it's bullshit
beauty incarnate says:
and i wont buy in to it
beauty incarnate says:
and i'm sorry you have
beauty incarnate says:
but ultimatley, dying for an idea?
beauty incarnate says:
dying for a "country"?
beauty incarnate says:
that's 19th century jingoism
Wyldwolf says:
and yet i didn't die
beauty incarnate says:
i don't respect people who die in wars
beauty incarnate says:
and don't see why i should
beauty incarnate says:
and?
beauty incarnate says:
your point?
beauty incarnate says:
i don't respect people whom fight in wars then
beauty incarnate says:
i may aswell respect stunt men in movies
beauty incarnate says:
at least the deadly things they do give me some pleasure
Wyldwolf says:
free medical, free dental, a chance to see europe and money for education
Wyldwolf says:
god you're right
Wyldwolf says:
I'm an idiot
beauty incarnate says:
how america's war on terrorism affects me i don't know
beauty incarnate says:
it's only because zionists in america control the government
beauty incarnate says:
and force the us to attack islam
beauty incarnate says:
thus causing more trouble than there ever was
Wyldwolf says:
hahahaha
beauty incarnate says:
thanks to american foreign policy we're in a worse state than we've ever been
Wyldwolf says:
yeah, there's NO terrorism in England
Wyldwolf says:
that's why you lock up your dumpsters
Wyldwolf says:
beauty incarnate says:
oh there was terrorism - we've had terrorism since the 1920s
beauty incarnate says:
terrorism which americans fuded
beauty incarnate says:
the IRA?
beauty incarnate says:
The IRA was funded by many in the US
beauty incarnate says:
especially american-irish families in new york
Wyldwolf says:
so fucking what?
Wyldwolf says:
we trained bin laden to
beauty incarnate says:
so it's somewhat ironic that 9/11 happened in new york
Wyldwolf says:
but that's not the military
Wyldwolf says:
that's your beloved politicians
beauty incarnate says:
the point is this - america only bothered to condemn the IRA after 9/11
beauty incarnate says:
again, it comes down to politics
beauty incarnate says:
not liberty
beauty incarnate says:
it's utter bullshit
beauty incarnate says:
i wont get involved
Wyldwolf says:
the bottom line is like it or not, they did the hardest job there is
Wyldwolf says:
and because they did, you're not speaking german
beauty incarnate says:
who?
beauty incarnate says:
that's crap
beauty incarnate says:
Hitler didn't have a navy
beauty incarnate says:
he couldn't cross the channel
beauty incarnate says:
the most that would have happened would have been a peace
beauty incarnate says:
and hitler would then have had a free hand in europe
beauty incarnate says:
again, these are old oudtated american viewpoints
beauty incarnate says:
utter bullshit
beauty incarnate says:
the royal navy was the largest in the world
Wyldwolf says:
peace after they bombed you back to the stone age
beauty incarnate says:
Hitler couldn't cross the channel
beauty incarnate says:
and most of his ariforce was destroyed in the battle of britain
beauty incarnate says:
so that kinda fucks up that theory
beauty incarnate says:
stone age?
beauty incarnate says:
it was a war of terror
beauty incarnate says:
so no industiral complexes were destroy7ed
beauty incarnate says:
only cities
beauty incarnate says:
to incite "terrori"
beauty incarnate says:
hit;ler's plan was to "scare" the british in to peace
beauty incarnate says:
but he couldn't invade the uk
beauty incarnate says:
he didn't have the means to cross
beauty incarnate says:
so that ends that "urban rumor"
beauty incarnate says:
and no historian worth his weight in salt agrees with you
beauty incarnate says:
it's the same as the urban rumor that he had one ball
beauty incarnate says:
no evidence to support this theory
Wyldwolf says:
no historian agrees with each other
beauty incarnate says:
but it's "Fact" because it's "common knowledge"
beauty incarnate says:
um
Wyldwolf says:
they're like shrinks in that regard
beauty incarnate says:
no there is a standard historical viewpoint we can all agree on
beauty incarnate says:
sometimes there's revisionism
beauty incarnate says:
but ultimatley the fact remains - the germans didn't have the means to cross the english channel
beauty incarnate says:
the nazis concentrated on u-boats and not battleships
beauty incarnate says:
they didn't have the economy to build a huge navy as well as a huge army
beauty incarnate says:
so no, you're wrong
beauty incarnate says:
they concentrated on a large land army rather than a navy
Wyldwolf says:
navy is still military
beauty incarnate says:
hang on
beauty incarnate says:
i said large land army
Wyldwolf says:
if there was no one to fight him he'd have taken whatever the fuck he wanted
beauty incarnate says:
army, navy, airforce
beauty incarnate says:
so large army
beauty incarnate says:
medium airforce
beauty incarnate says:
small navy
beauty incarnate says:
why are you nit picking?
beauty incarnate says:
do you think nit picking allows you to win brownie points?
beauty incarnate says:
he couldn't take what the fuck he wanted
beauty incarnate says:
this is a allied rumor that hitler was "all powefull"
beauty incarnate says:
it's utter crap
beauty incarnate says:
hitler's army was a cheaply made army
beauty incarnate says:
it was a quickly made army
beauty incarnate says:
with the intention of grabbing land quicklyu
beauty incarnate says:
hence the blitzkreig doctrine
beauty incarnate says:
i assume you know about military doctrines
Wyldwolf says:
a cheap army beats no army
Wyldwolf says:
nitpick that
beauty incarnate says:
yes but i doub the could have beaten the russians
beauty incarnate says:
and his army was stretched
beauty incarnate says:
ultimatley Hitler bit off more than he could chew
beauty incarnate says:
and it was bound to fail
beauty incarnate says:
allied propaganda of course would magnify the situation
beauty incarnate says:
to make it sound terrible to everyoine
beauty incarnate says:
but then again i'm sure you follow the viewpoint that he was "trying to take over the world"
beauty incarnate says:
i'm sorry dude, we just can't debate this
beauty incarnate says:
you don't know this subject at all
Wyldwolf says:
hahaha
beauty incarnate says:
you're following viewpoints that pre-date modern academic study
beauty incarnate says:
on the subject
Wyldwolf says:
hold a m-16 in your own hand
Wyldwolf says:
throw a grenade
beauty incarnate says:
how does that win the argument?
beauty incarnate says:
what has that got to do with the historical fact?
Wyldwolf says:
then tell me how much more you know than me
beauty incarnate says:
what has that got to do with the basis of the argument?
beauty incarnate says:
so because you've shot a gun you know more about ww2?
beauty incarnate says:
though you know nothing about the poltiics and the facts of the time?
beauty incarnate says:
bullshit
beauty incarnate says:
i've seen through you dorklord
Wyldwolf says:
the debate isn't about ww2
beauty incarnate says:
nothing but a collection of hot air
beauty incarnate says:
in fact you argue like a woman
beauty incarnate says:
you argue like a woman because you change the point
Wyldwolf says:
it's whether military defends or has ever defended llife or liberty
beauty incarnate says:
and think it's "winning"
Wyldwolf says:
you changed it
Wyldwolf says:
how womanly is it to blame others for your own actrions?
beauty incarnate says:
you're the one that needed to be told that the nazis couldn't invade britain
Wyldwolf says:
is it that time of the month?
beauty incarnate says:
i'm sorry if for all your military know how you didn;t know this elementary fact
beauty incarnate says:
that the british had the royal navy
beauty incarnate says:
i'm sorry if that eluded you
Wyldwolf says:
should I get you some chocolate?
beauty incarnate says:
employing insults is the easiest tactic to throw the basis of the argumet off dorklord
Wyldwolf says:
yes the brits did have navy
beauty incarnate says:
the royal navy
beauty incarnate says:
the largest in the world
Wyldwolf says:
your claim is that they didn't need it
beauty incarnate says:
the nazis had fuck all
beauty incarnate says:
compared to the royal navy
beauty incarnate says:
no
beauty incarnate says:
they did need it
beauty incarnate says:
my claim was this - the nazis couldn't invae britain
beauty incarnate says:
their military doctrine was the bltizkreig
beauty incarnate says:
they had no knowledge of taking over an island
beauty incarnate says:
remember - they had fought a war on continental europe
Wyldwolf says:
see, that's twisting the issue
beauty incarnate says:
that's not twisting the issue
beauty incarnate says:
that's a fact
Wyldwolf says:
we were debating the merits of the military in general
Wyldwolf says:
and you morphed it to a ww2 discussion
beauty incarnate says:
you said that i would be speaking german if it wasn't for you
beauty incarnate says:
i told you that was a lie
beauty incarnate says:
an american inspired lie
Wyldwolf says:
I didn't say me specifically
Wyldwolf says:
or the american military
beauty incarnate says:
oh now that's a twist
Wyldwolf says:
you assumed that
beauty incarnate says:
there's a twist
beauty incarnate says:
no i didn't assume because all i had to go with was what you said
beauty incarnate says:
and you said i would be speaking german if it wasn't for america
beauty incarnate says:
so it's not assumption
beauty incarnate says:
i didn't assume you said that
beauty incarnate says:
you said it
Wyldwolf says:
Wyldwolf says:
the bottom line is like it or not, they did the hardest job there is
Wyldwolf says:
and because they did, you're not speaking german
Wyldwolf says:
where did I say america in that?
beauty incarnate says:
very well
beauty incarnate says:
let's reduce this to pettiness
beauty incarnate says:
i don't believe Hitler inteded to invade britain
beauty incarnate says:
Britain delcared war on Germay
beauty incarnate says:
not the other way around
beauty incarnate says:
so our liberty was always safe
beauty incarnate says:
well what we define as liberty
beauty incarnate says:
in 100 years time people will look back on our notion of liberty and say it's backwards
beauty incarnate says:
so your definition of "liberty"?
beauty incarnate says:
fighting for "liberty"?
beauty incarnate says:
you fight for the governmet
beauty incarnate says:
you fight for political interests
beauty incarnate says:
so don't use "liberty"
beauty incarnate says:
everyone says they're fighting for "liberty"
Wyldwolf says:
no, I fight for my loved ones
Wyldwolf says:
pure and simple
beauty incarnate says:
ha
beauty incarnate says:
what utter crap
beauty incarnate says:
loved ones?
beauty incarnate says:
and how are your loved ones in danger?
Wyldwolf says:
I'm sure everyone in the WTC thought they were perfectly safe
Wyldwolf says:
15 minutes before the shit went down
beauty incarnate says:
oh boo hoo - one terrorist attack
beauty incarnate says:
we've had terrorist attacks since the 20s
beauty incarnate says:
and america didn't give a shit
beauty incarnate says:
get over it
beauty incarnate says:
these things happen when you're a world power
beauty incarnate says:
if you don't like it, resign and let china have ago
beauty incarnate says:
it's not the world's fault you're all so fucking soft
beauty incarnate says:
you want the moon on a fucking stick
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