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A sampling of comments from people whose pockets are being picked by large corporations.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/29/gas.squeeze.irpt/index.html

(CNN) -- Rising gas prices are hitting CNN.com readers in the wallet, and many say they are staying in and scaling back spending to try to keep up.

Most readers said they were driving as little as possible, cutting back on shopping and eating out and other discretionary spending.

Travis Grim, of Dallas, Texas, said he moved so that he could be closer to work. "Now I'm in walking distance. I'm sure towns and businesses will see a surge as people leave the suburbs for relief," he wrote. Other readers said they changed jobs, or sold their homes so they could have a shorter commute.

Many readers said they traded their trucks and SUVs for more fuel efficient vehicles. Christine J., of St. Louis, Missouri, said she was also considering a swap.

"The way prices are increasing again I may have to sell my Kia Spectra (again small car) for a scooter," she said.

The following is a sampling of emails from CNN.com readers. Some have been edited for length or clarity.

James Downhour of Cartersville, Illinois
As with everyone else, I have had to cut back on entertainment, travel and food. An interesting trend that I have seen at work (I work for a pizza shop): When I started working there five years ago, no one ever ordered a medium pizza, it was always a large. Over the last 6 months to a year, however, not only have we begun to have fewer customers, but many of our customers have been forced to settle for a medium instead of the large.

At least a third to half of our orders are now for mediums. A family of four has to struggle to make a meal out of a medium pizza. What happens when the economy gets worse? Do they cut back to the small pizza (you can't feed a family of four with a small), or do they stop purchasing all together?

Jesus Cepero of Andover, New Jersey
I'm a Realtor and I'm suffering from the Real Estate disaster. How can I drive customers around to show properties with the gas prices the way they are. I'm being hit from all sides with the economic slowdown and higher prices due to the oil price increases. We need Bush out of Washington now!

Henry Warden of Mount Vernon, Ohio
My daughter is living at home and attends college about 30 miles away. The gas prices are causing her to use money allocated for tuition to buy gasoline, because she needs to spend so much more on fuel because of the rising gas prices. She drives a 2001 Ford Escort. She still has three more years to go!

Marcia Mason Reklaw, Texas
We don't take vacations, we use the most economical car and combine all errands, have parked the pickup, shop almost entirely by Internet for home delivery, do not go out for entertainment anywhere, including sports and avocations, not even to visit family, have turned the thermostat down in the winter and up in the summer. We are cocooning.

Marcelina Malave of Rahway, New Jersey
Since the spike of the oil prices, I find myself more home often and spending less time enjoying myself with family and friends. I have a long commute as it is and adding more miles is more than I can afford because you need to drive everywhere in my area. It's definitely an impact on my love life since I am no longer able to see my significant other as often. Everything I do now revolves around "Can I go away for the weekend? I need to budget myself cash for gas" I don't feel it should have to be that way.

Jason Forkin of Lavonia, Georgia
As a business owner whose core business is in metro Atlanta, we travel nearly 80 miles one way. With 4 vehicles on the road it has taken it's toll. If fuel prices were near where they were a year ago, I could afford another employee. I'm unsure of what position we're going to find ourselves in a few months. Unfortunately, there are no alternatives for the type of driving we do. I'd gladly pay $40,000 for a truck that would get 50 miles to the gallon. I'm sure if the fuel prices rise much more, I'm going to have to lay off one of my employees just to reduce the amount of fuel we purchase.

Jenifer Lautenschlager of Lincoln, Nebraska
The thought of $4 a gallon definitely places a new burden on how we live. We currently have a mid-size SUV that is in great shape and we love, but only gets 17 miles to the gallon while the car I drive gets 30. This has caused us to look seriously as trading in the SUV for a much smaller and efficient car. Gas is currently $3.09 a gallon where we live, but continues to rise. We watch the gas gauge much more closely than before and try to run errands all together rather than spreading them out. Has it changed our lives? You bet, and we will never live the way we did 4 years ago.

Fred Beverage of Flagstaff, Arizona
Gas is once again over three dollars a gallon in Flagstaff. For the past four years I have commuted at least 100 miles a day round trip for work. This past six months has seen me cut back on over or aftertime work. I have found a carpool to drive with and I have seriously considered a job, for less pay, closer to home. Gas prices have also forced my family and I to cut back on trips to see family and friends. We also plan trips to the beach in California in such a way we can fill up in Arizona and then only put in enough gas to get back to the border so we do not have to pay the much higher prices in California.

Wesley Young of Huntsville, Arkansas
The gas prices have been an irritation and I have had to change some things to make my monthly "gas bill." However, with prices now fairly well guaranteed to soar again this year I am fearful. One has to go to work and in the past 2 years my cost of getting to work has nearly doubled, some things in life you can't avoid paying, rent, utilities and gas to get to work.

Yet we shouldn't have to decide if we need to eat less to be able to get to work and make a living to pay our other bills. On the flip side, I don't make a huge wage, I'm solidly middle class, but I have no idea how people making minimum wage can even survive in the current state of affairs.

It makes me angry to think that while gas goes up, oil execs report record profits and they argue they need to keep that money to make more oil. Yet they have not found a way to get more oil, make more gas, and ease prices on the gas that puts at risk those who can ill afford the extra money.

To add insult to injury, George Bush was ignorant yesterday to the fact that gas might hit $4 a gallon...like it will affect him if it goes up or down anyway!!! the biggest change perhaps is that the leaders' attitude to the middle class and below plight makes me very much more aggravated!

Blair DC of Saint Joseph, Missouri
There is no doubt that gas prices have affected every day rituals in peoples lives. Personally, I try not to drive anywhere that is not necessary. I even carpool to work. I drive an hour each way to work. I only have to drive two weeks per month which saves me about $200 a month after my daily commute (currently, gas is about 3.09 / gallon here). If I don't have to be out and about, I definitely stay in to conserve my gas money.

Daniel Berke of Tempe, Arizona
These horribly high gas prices are preventing me from seeing my family as much as I would like to. They live in Las Vegas, 300 miles away, and what use to only cost me $50 round trip, is getting closer to $100. All this while I sit and watch oil companies rake in billions of dollars a quarter, while the little guy gets his wallet trimmed more and more each week. Thanks President Bush for being on top of this issue.

AK Royal of Glen Allen, Virginia
I cannot go out to eat as much or even go to my mother's house because of how high the gas is, I have to always think about how I'm gonna put gas in my car. Being a senior in high school, I have a small part-time job and a Jeep, which empties my wallet everyday it seems.

Greg Doe of Frederick, Maryland
I sold my SUV, now work 4 miles from home, drive as little as possible and already owned a Toyota Echo. With the dollars' value being the biggest cause of the increase in fuel prices its unlikely to get any better in the next couple of years if at all. I'll have friends over or go to their house, but I no longer eat out or drive unless I need to. I'd rather save the money for rougher times and my own retirement. Come spring there will be a garden behind the house as well.

Deb Kersten of Wittenberg, Wisconsin
Gas in my area is $3.09 and rising. I have had the same job for 25 years and commute 32 miles one way from my home to work. This summer I am moving to within 3 miles of my office because I just cannot afford to drive the distance to work if I want to pay the rest of my bills. It is bad and getting worse. I can't imagine how low-income people can survive

Kevin Smith of Tishomingo, Oklahoma
My family lives in a rural area and it is 30 miles to town to go shopping. So instead of going weekly we go once a month and stock up. Also church is 20 miles away. So instead of going 3 to 4 times a week we only go Sunday morning and Wednesday evening. And we are driving more fuel efficient cars.

Susan Jackson of Sewell, New Jersey
I commute to work 80 miles round trip 5 days a week. Gas prices are putting a major strain on my family's monthly budget. Also, because of the gas prices rising, food prices like milk, etc. are rising too. Therefore our monthly food budget is through the roof too!

Christine J of St. Louis, Missouri
Gas prices are definably having an effect on my daily life. Instead of paying 20-25 dollars to fill up my vehicle I pay 30-35 (and it is a small car). I do not drive out of my way for anything, if I cannot make the stop on my way to work or home from work I usually do not make the stop.

Once I get home I do not drive my car anywhere else because of the price of gasoline. The biggest change I have made was selling my home so I can rent an apartment that is half of the distance away from my employer. The way prices are increasing again I may have to sell my Kia Spectra (again small car) for a scooter.

Bob Johnson of Houston, Texas
We unloaded two of our three SUVs for a high mileage sedan. We are driving less overall and going out less. Any extra cash is being stashed or paying down CC debt.


Now here we read about everything from how corporate greed is crippling small business to forcing people to make a choice between house and home.

Capitalism and free enterprise are great things. But capitalism and free enterprise combined with corporate greed, well, unless you're among the corporate elite, there's a whole lot of fuckin going on.
 
I agree that the price of gasoline is horrendous. I also agree that corporate greed is a bad thing, just as greed of any kind is.

One thing I will say about the complaints up there, they mirror the same ones I made for nearly 30 years about the increases in the costs of housing, utilities, food, clothing, as well as gasoline. Of course, it is those 30 years that make this time for me so good. I learned to live without anything for so long that when I got a huge raise and promotion last year, it was like mana from heaven. I wasn't saddled up under a mortgage I couldn't afford, or a ton of credit debt, or a gas guzzling automobile. I drove a little Yugo for a long time - even though I live in a GM town and was accosted more than once about driving a non-American vehicle. Hey - GM employees made upwards of $17 an hour when I was making $6. I can only drive what I can afford. Vacations? I actually was able to afford one last year and I will this year too. Yes, the cost of gas will affect what I do on my vacation, but I'm still going to have one. That will be 2 vacations in 30 years. Woo Hoo!!!

What do you think will solve the problem of the rising costs of gasoline and all the goods that affects?

I'm sorry life is sucking for so many people. I know what it is like not to be able to afford anything. The thing is these problems aren't new and they didn't just come around during this administration. I don't know the solutions to the problems but I don't think just Bush not being in office is going to fix it, either. You comment on corporate greed but you don't rag on the people that get themselves into deep debt because of irresponsible use of credit like buying houses and cars they can't afford and charging pizza and entertainment on their credit cards all the time.

All I know for certain is gas was about 30 cents a gallon when I started driving back in 1972. Better yet, there was this guy that came out and put the gas in the car, washed the windows, checked the oil, water, and belts, and put air in the tires for a tip. That guy was awesome and I miss him.
 
I'll break it down and make it very simple.

Gas companies control this country. There isn't an industry, a service, or a product that in one way or another doesn't rely on fossil fuels somewhere between fabrication and shipping.

For the last 8 years, the cost of fuels in this country has risen at a higher rate than any other time in our history INCLUDING the fuel crises of the 70's.

The difference is, in the 70's the oil companies were accountable to the federal government for their actions. At least more than they are now. Yet currently, we don't even have a so call "fuel shortage" in this country. Instead, we had 8 years of oil men in the White house, 6 years of "conservatives" in congress, and historic, record breaking quarterly profits for the oil companies.

Now you tell me 1+1 doesn't equal 2. The oil companies are fucking everyone in the name of profit. The rest of corporate America HAS to fall in line with them to keep their companies going. Because without oil, they grind to a stand still.
 
I don't think the problem is that simple and there is certainly no solution offered there.

The only way we are going to be independent of oil - foreign or domestic - is to develop alternative fuels, which includes a delivery system. It doesn't matter if we can make cars that run on air if the service station infrastructure isn't there. That is going to cost some big bucks.

How far are you willing to go in governmental control over oil?
 
Oh, I agree it's probably not that simple. But that's a cut and dried version of what I see going on.

Big oil controls the market and every aspect on the market relies on big oil.

As far as what to do, tax the hell out of the oil companies and make them put some of their ill gotten profits back in the hands of the consumers. Lets face it, it's to late for "investigations" into their activities. The "conservatives" in government that were lining their pockets screwed the pooch for all of us on that front. I'm sure everyone of them had happy little grins as they checked their stock portfolios.
 
What do you know, you stupid litte peasant fkcn faget ? Big corporations benefit society. The people who fucking invented modern capitalism were on crack when they admitted the inherent amorality of their economic model.
 
Oh, I agree it's probably not that simple. But that's a cut and dried version of what I see going on.

Big oil controls the market and every aspect on the market relies on big oil.

As far as what to do, tax the hell out of the oil companies and make them put some of their ill gotten profits back in the hands of the consumers. Lets face it, it's to late for "investigations" into their activities. The "conservatives" in government that were lining their pockets screwed the pooch for all of us on that front. I'm sure everyone of them had happy little grins as they checked their stock portfolios.

The oil industry is already taxed more than any other industry. That cost is passed down to the consumers. Then there are the federal and state taxes on the gallon of gas at the pump. Suspending the federal tax on the gas at the pump helped ease the cost last year, as did opening the reserves.

Oil funds a lot of retirement plans too. The CEO's have a fiduciary duty to do well.

Interesting use of the term "ill gotten profits." How are they ill gotten? Because oil/gasoline is an expensive commodity? Do they not have the right to make as much profit as the market will bear, just as any other industry or any mom and pop business does?
 
The oil industry is a very specific market, and cannot be lumped with all others. Its price is largely comprised of externalities, of which politics is a major factor.

An inevitable oil megacrisis looms in the horizon. Oh yes, there will be blood. ;)
 
Gas is cheap as hell. Go try and make a gallon and see how tricky it is.

Dumb bastards drive huge rigs around and bitch about the price of gas. Fuck em..

I guess if you have a half ton wife than you need a rig like this to haul her huge ass through the McDonalds drive through..
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The oil industry is already taxed more than any other industry. That cost is passed down to the consumers. Then there are the federal and state taxes on the gallon of gas at the pump. Suspending the federal tax on the gas at the pump helped ease the cost last year, as did opening the reserves.

Oil funds a lot of retirement plans too. The CEO's have a fiduciary duty to do well.

Interesting use of the term "ill gotten profits." How are they ill gotten? Because oil/gasoline is an expensive commodity? Do they not have the right to make as much profit as the market will bear, just as any other industry or any mom and pop business does?

Judging from the last 7 years, I would expect the Republicans to be about as familiar with the difference between the terms "profit" and "greed" as they are with the difference between the terms "conservative" and "deficit".
 
Oil popped 104 a barrel today.

That beats the 38 in 1980 dollars.

Everyone should adjust to 4 a gallon after June.
 
Oil popped 104 a barrel today.

That beats the 38 in 1980 dollars.

Everyone should adjust to 4 a gallon after June.

George W. Bush said:
Oh, yeah? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that.

Bush sounded eerily like his father in 1992. Completely fucking amazed to discover that supermarkets had bar-code scanners.
 
Judging from the last 7 years, I would expect the Republicans to be about as familiar with the difference between the terms "profit" and "greed" as they are with the difference between the terms "conservative" and "deficit".

I'm curious about your thoughts on the price of oil dropping from $75 to $60 a barrel in late 2006 - within your 7 year time frame.

I think there are a number of factors that are influencing the price of gas and not all of them have to do with American partisan politics.

If you will look back, I stated my stance that a business has the right to seek the highest price for their goods as the market will bear. However, we, as the market, have the right to refuse to pay that price. That was the purpose of the gas rationing back in the mid 70s when the oil cartels were trying to push prices up. We pushed back. I don't know if rationing would work as well this time because there are more markets for the oil if we don't buy it. Plus, as you can see from your posted examples, we whine majorily if we have to give up delivered pizzas and some recreational driving in our SUVs. However, we have alternative fuels that have been in research and development for a long time now. What we need is the infrastructure to deliver the alternative fuels and changes to our automobiles to use those alternative fuels such as electric and compressed air. I think that is where we should focus our energy instead of just crying for the price of oil/gasoline to come down.
 
Wrong Wheezie. (imo, of course)Think Afghanistan pipeline, now in place. (remember when those SAVAGES were tearing down those antique buddhist sculptures. What were they called again Tah Lee Ban? I ferget.

The there's the WMD obfuscation, or did you forget that lie, and the idea that Iraq has always been #2 producer of said oil? Hmmm?

We're in it, my darling because of oil. It's oil that got us here, and oil that will change the way the government operates. Wait, it's already done that.
 
Silly me. You are, of course, correct. I give in. I believe it, buy it, adopt it and hold it near and dear to my heart. As soon as Bush is gone and the Republicans are out of office, then the world will be grand and perfect. There will be no war. Oil will be cheap and gas go back to 25 cents a gallon. We can order in all the pizza delivery we want and drive around in our SUVs singing "Hey, Nonnie, Nonnie." Food, utilities, housing, health care - all that will be plentiful and cheap - not just for the poor but for the rich as well. Things will be truly fair. The guy that works 40 hours a week, scrimps and saves to buy a house will only pay $10 for a doctor's visit just like the guy who only holds a job when he needs to pay his internet bill. Osama bin Laden will come out of hiding and ask "Can't we all just get along?"

Yes, life will be grand. I can hardly wait. Let's do it now!!!
 
Free health care - that is a minimum $2500 per year savings on insurance premiums and deductibles for me. Now I'm in shopping mode.

Shoot, I might even go out and get pregnant so I can have a partial birth abortion. Yippee!!! Oh, wait, I've gone through menopause. Okay. So I won't do that. But, there has to be something equally offensive, repugnant and murderous I can do and get by with it because that is the Great Democratic Way!!! Woo Hoo!!
 
I'm curious about your thoughts on the price of oil dropping from $75 to $60 a barrel in late 2006 - within your 7 year time frame.

Yeah, it's amazing what the threat of a government investigation into price gouging can have. Even if it was an empty threat.

Did you know that the Republicans put more effort, time and money into investigating whether or not Clinton lied about a blowjob than they did into whether or not the oil companies were screwing us over? Who knows what might have happened if a big name oil executive had been screwing his secretary.

I think there are a number of factors that are influencing the price of gas and not all of them have to do with American partisan politics.

I'm sure. But I'm equally sure politics were a good percentage.

If you will look back, I stated my stance that a business has the right to seek the highest price for their goods as the market will bear. However, we, as the market, have the right to refuse to pay that price. That was the purpose of the gas rationing back in the mid 70s when the oil cartels were trying to push prices up. We pushed back. I don't know if rationing would work as well this time because there are more markets for the oil if we don't buy it. Plus, as you can see from your posted examples, we whine majorily if we have to give up delivered pizzas and some recreational driving in our SUVs. However, we have alternative fuels that have been in research and development for a long time now. What we need is the infrastructure to deliver the alternative fuels and changes to our automobiles to use those alternative fuels such as electric and compressed air. I think that is where we should focus our energy instead of just crying for the price of oil/gasoline to come down.

Business has a right to profit off of it's products or services, agreed. However, in my opinion, that stops when a company artificially inflates it's prices to intentionally increase it's profits to an unreasonable level that the majority of the consumer market can't afford but have no choice but to buy. But of course, we'll never know if that's the case or not because there never was any real investigations into the matter.

Thats also the danger in allowing monopolies like the oil industry. Competitive fuel sources will never go beyond much more than an experimental stage and those that do will never reach affordable mass production levels as long as the oil company's own Washington. As long as they have the money to buy legislation, competitors will never get a strong enough foothold on the market.

BTW, electric cars have been around for 20 or more years. And yet they still can't mass produce them.
 
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