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Healthcare in America...

I don't give a shit about the health care in the US.

I sometimes be in the US and sometimes in the UK so I have the best of both.
 
Friday said:
Dono, the new healthcare plan is estimated to cost 1.5 trillion, not billion.

One of the issues that makes my radar go *blip* is the fact I no longer have a choice in whether I even have healthcare. It's mandated, or I'm fined $750.

If I cannot afford healthcare, I could certainly go on Medicaid. But who is going to be paying for the extra Medicaid assistance to those who now qualify? The Medicaid Fairy?

During his town hall meeting here when he was on his ObamaCare crusade, Obama touted Kaiser Permanente as a caring, patient oriented HMO where every doctor there will know your history, so you'll get more bang for your buck.

Spin much? First off, Kaiser is NOT patient oriented. They are the epitome of a business model. And dammit, if I need surgery to remove a tumor in my small intestine, I want to be able to have the same doctor for all follow-ups, and not be handed around from MD to MD like I was the office whore.
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You're missing the part where if you make under 88k (or whatever the benchmark is) it's mostly paid for.

And the insurance company you choose can't make shit up to deny you coverage, similar to what happened with the credit card companies this year.

Still, it's completely an unconstitutional mandate as will be revealed as this chessgame continues.
 
Donovan said:
The country is no more fucked now than it was before. It's amazing how pwned our populace is when the idiots on tv, bought and paid for by the insurance companies, can actually convince us that health care is a terrible thing for all of us. Or that spending a couple billion on making us healthier is somehow worse than spending trillions (with a T) blowing up brown people half a world away.

When the Republicans held universal power we went to war over bad info and lies and gas was five bucks a gallon. With Dems in the same position we just overhauled health care for the first time in decades and in the process stripped insurance companies of some ability to deny our sick people coverage. And gas is under three bucks a gallon.

Democrats are bastards! Somebody call Rush!
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THAT IS UNAMERICAN
GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!!
 
My foremost concern with this health care bill is that for the first time in American history, a law has been passed which mandates private citizens to purchase a commercial product. That sets an incredibly dangerous precedent, and is wholly unconstitutional (not that that's ever stopped congress in the past). They'll probably try to justify it with the Interstate Commerce Clause, but for that to work you have to accept that simply living is a form of interstate commerce. Isn't it more than a bit ironic that the federal government is going to use its powers to regular interstate commerce to force us all to buy something which is explicitly prohibited from being traded between states?
 
That's why I said it's unconstitutional. It won't survive any legal challenges once it becomes law, and that's the only way to test it anyway, so it's all good.
 
jack said:
That's why I said it's unconstitutional. It won't survive any legal challenges once it becomes law, and that's the only way to test it anyway, so it's all good.
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I'm afraid I don't share your confidence in our court system. Let's hope the SCOTUS strikes it down with a vengeance; Obama did get congress to boo them at the SotU, after all.
 
what i LOVE about this is how the conservative pundits reacted:

Hugh Hewitt:
THIS IS OUR PEARL HARBOR DONATE TO NRCC
DID YOU DONATE TO NRCC YET??

Mike Gallagher:
THIS IS DAY ONE OF THE WAR
WE WILL WIN THIS WAR
 
Here's A Good Thing from the act: all restaurants with more than 20 locations will be required to list the calorie content of each item on the menu.
 
jack said:
You're missing the part where if you make under 88k (or whatever the benchmark is) it's mostly paid for.
And the insurance company you choose can't make shit up to deny you coverage, similar to what happened with the credit card companies this year.

Still, it's completely an unconstitutional mandate as will be revealed as this chessgame continues.
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Who is it paid for by?
 
Well, how else is the government supposed to get the money to fund the program? I know - "they" could just print some more money!!!!
 
Dual said:
My foremost concern with this health care bill is that for the first time in American history, a law has been passed which mandates private citizens to purchase a commercial product. That sets an incredibly dangerous precedent, and is wholly unconstitutional (not that that's ever stopped congress in the past).
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Isn't auto insurance mandatory in most states? If so, then how is it different from this?
 
Grandtheftcow said:
Isn't auto insurance mandatory in most states? If so, then how is it different from this?
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Apples and oranges.

Driving isn't a right, it's a conditional privilege. Even then, you only have to get liability insurance to cover any damage to cause to other vehicles and not to your own. You can choose not to drive and never have to touch it.

Forcing the purchase of health insurance is another matter entirely. The basic implication is that being alive is a privilege granted by the state. While driving is an active activity, life is passive, and a natural sovereign right of man. Affixing what is in effect an imperative for anybody who is alive - "IF you are alive, you MUST buy health insurance" differs markedly from "IF you drive a car, you MUST carry liability insurance."
 
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