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How can anyone accept Christianity

Cranky Bastard said:
By the strict definition of faith, much of science operates on it.

Pisteo is an action, based on a belief, sustained by confidence.

When you get up in the morning, do you ever swing your legs out of bed and expect them to hit the ceiling? You certainly don't. That is faith.

You should qualify your statement to be more specific: religious faith.
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Faith is Faith.

Qualify this!:moon:
 
See, this is what confuses me though. You seem to be an intelligent and down to earth guy. So how do you wrestle with the glaring inconsitencies and the history of Christianity in particular? I mean, there is NOTHING that even hints at the idea that it is more valid or relevant than any other religion and in turn no religion can hold a candle to scientific fact without making huge comprimises to the specifics until you are left with an Agnsotic shrug of the shoulders.
 
Mentalist said:
So how do you wrestle with the glaring inconsitencies and the history of Christianity in particular? I mean, there is NOTHING that even hints at the idea that it is more valid or relevant than any other religion and in turn no religion can hold a candle to scientific fact without making huge comprimises to the specifics until you are left with an Agnsotic shrug of the shoulders.
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Man is not perfect. History is constantly being revised, although much remains that can point the way to fact.

Much of today's view of christianity (or any other religion/cult/fad/gas) falls into two rabid camps:

One: "you can't prove shit!"
Two: (hands over ears) "I can't hear you you're going to hell!"

(scuse me a moment, going to go crack a beer)
 
But to answer your question: "how"?

I don't go to church, I refuse to go to church, and I refuse to defend the church of man. They're a buncha fucking pharisees, anyway. So you won't see me defend or support or even try to justify the church.

That leaves the root of (in this case) christianity. How can I believe?

First, the entire foundation of the religion is Jesus, despite what some idiot with blow-dried hair might tell you. Tacitus, the heathen historian, Herodotus and other non-christian historians of the time refer to Jesus.

The fact that he existed is not in question. There is more historical record of Jesus than Alexander the Great.

Second, the basis of christianity is the resurrection, no matter what bullshit you hear in the church.

It's the second part that requires faith, although logic dictates that he came out of the tomb.

There is plenty of room in real believers for logic, faith, intelligence, and wisdom.
 
Robert "Monkey" Loggia said:
Where/what is the logic in your "logic dictates that he came out of the tomb" statement?
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That's a whole 'nother multi-page topic.

Not that you would read it, but a link to a book keeps this post short and sweet:

http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-Stone-Frank-Morison/dp/0310295610

Written by a journalist who set out to logically disprove the resurrection as total bullshit.

Of course, if you prefer, you can throw any supposition at me as to where the body of Jesus is and I can paraphrase the answer.
 
Oh goodness! A random dude says it's true, so it must be. Since he was THERE and all.

If I'm going to put my afterlife in the hands of one idea, it better be something I can see with my own eyes.
 
I wondered how you would respond. It's not an easy response, but the quickest and laziest is to dismiss.

Not only am I some random guy, but so are you. Why should I believe anything you say?

:devious:
 
If I'm going to put my afterlife in the hands of one idea, it better be something I can see with my own eyes.
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Why in hell would you be concerned with your "afterlife"?
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Cranky Bastard said:
I wondered how you would respond. It's not an easy response, but the quickest and laziest is to dismiss.

Not only am I some random guy, but so are you. Why should I believe anything you say?

:devious:
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You shouldn't! :D
 
I just wonder, if God is real then why all the suffering? I had faith for a long time, I didn't care if the events in the bible actually occurred or were just teaching lessons and metaphors. But why is all this necessary if God is all knowing? If He already knows who's names are in the book of life, then what's all this for? Why test us so, if He already knows what's in our hearts?
 
Cassie said:
I just wonder, if God is real then why all the suffering? I had faith for a long time, I didn't care if the events in the bible actually occurred or were just teaching lessons and metaphors. But why is all this necessary if God is all knowing? If He already knows who's names are in the book of life, then what's all this for? Why test us so, if He already knows what's in our hearts?
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According to the account given, this world belongs to Satan - he is the god of this world. If you want to blame suffering on "god", put the blame in the proper place, no matter how chic it is to blame the other God.
 
I don't blame God for the suffering, but we are taught to believe that this is all planned. Why did God create all this to hand it over to the devil? If the devil is the god of this world then isn't he an aspect of the other?

I'm not being argumentative, btw. You seem to know a lot about this and I am interested. Usually I only come here to spam and be silly, but there really isn't anywhere to talk about this stuff freely without someone getting pissed off.
 
It was sort of planned.

God handed dominion to man. Of free will, man handed that dominion to Satan. Satan is the god of this world - that is why the temptation account had Satan offering the world to Jesus if he would only kneel to Satan.

Because the world was Satan's to give.
 
Cassie said:
I just wonder, if God is real then why all the suffering? I had faith for a long time, I didn't care if the events in the bible actually occurred or were just teaching lessons and metaphors. But why is all this necessary if God is all knowing? If He already knows who's names are in the book of life, then what's all this for? Why test us so, if He already knows what's in our hearts?
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I used to bug Cranky with this alot. I always felt like I was walking under some freaking doom cloud and that I was being tested.

Cranky set me straight on alot of stuff. :)
 
Cranky Bastard said:
So, for those who think Hell is a great and cool place, this is it.
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Really? Dammit I was promised there would be fire and brimstone. I'm so disappointed.
 
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