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How can anyone accept Christianity

The counter-culture has already claimed he was gay.

Of course, gay is supposed to be cool and all, so I'm not sure how the schizos play that one...
 
Cranky Bastard said:
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Please, stop! I can't take much more of your cliche, insipid nonsense!
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So says the person that made insipid nonsense his life credo.

My god, this is the whole reason I left this place. The morons that came along like you are too ignorant to do anything to fight back other than "you're unoriginal" attack. People throughout this entire thread have given decent arguments as to why your religion AND your statements about religion make no sense, and you have not come up with ONE SINGLE ANSWER except to say that you don't have to validate your beliefs or answers.

Me: "legitimate statement"

You: "DAR DAR DAR!! YOU SAY NOTHING ORIGINAL!!"

Me: "NOTHING LEFT IN THIS WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS ORIGINAL YOU IGNORANT FUCK"

You: "DAR DAR DAR!! YOU SAY NOTHING ORIGINAL!!"

There's nothing less original than to do nothing but tell someone they're unoriginal.
 
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Who dragged your pencil dick into this thread? Just because I believe I'm obligated to suck your cock for your gratification?

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I'm not here for you. Your demands and attacks are cliche. Sounds to me you don't like me pointing that out.

Too fucking bad for you.

BOO FUCKING HOO

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Cranky Bastard said:
My 14 year old son has more brains than "Monkey."

Aren't you supposed to be 18 to post here, "Monkey"?
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Watch it. You wouldn't want to insult the monkey. He might fling some more poo at us.:P
 
Robert "Monkey" Loggia OMG! You actually thought I was being SERIOUS with that whole thing?

No I didn't think you were being serious with that thing. Because I wasn't being serious with that thing. Well not totally serious anyway.
 
Okay. Let's talk about this a little more seriously. Something about TK always makes me confrontational and pedantic.

I don't believe in Christianity. You do. Big whoop. To each their own.

My problem is with the majority of the followers of Christianity, and by condemning the religion and attacking it, I am acting like them and being a hypocrite. I apologize. I disagree with the behavior that most Christians exhibit, ranging from damning others to hell to behaving more un-Christlike than non-Christians to converting people through violent means to shoving their religion into politics on a grand scale. Cranky, by cussing me, mocking me, and instigating me, you are doing those things that frustrate me about Christians - they claim to follow the word of Christ but behave like those that follow the ways of Satan. I've met more jews, pagans, and buddhists that behave in the proper Christian way than those that claim to be followers of Jesus. What makes Christians this way? Is it the "knowledge" that you can do whatever you want and just say "Hallelujah, I believe in Jesus, so I'm forgiven" that turns most of you into such condescending, judgmental, mean-spirited individuals that go around and continue to perpetuate the bad image that you have? If you are going to claim to follow the word of the Lord, why don't you REALLY act like it?

And how is my claiming that Jews don't hate Jesus equate to being "cliché" and overdone? I'm being honest - I have not run into a single Jew that claims to hate Jesus.
 
Organized religion is mostly crap. But there is something out there beyond us. That's all I know, because I have experienced it with physical proof.

You have "guardian angels" as well as malevolent spirits who are messing with you. Your dead loved ones are watching, and trying to help depending on how close they are wandering to this plane. You can find ways to communicate with them if you really want to. And there is a central force that we all gravitate towards. And it doesn't mind being personified by us if that's what gets you closer to it.

That's all I'll say.
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
Organised religion is mostly crap. But there is something out there beyond us. That's all I know, because I have experienced it with physical proof.

You have "guardian angels" as well as malevolent spirits who are messing with you. Your dead loved ones are watching, and trying to help depending on how close they are wandering to this plane. You can find ways to communicate with them if you really want to. And there is a central force that we all gravitate towards. And it doesn't mind being personified by us if that's what gets you closer to it.

That's all I'll say.
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Pretty much everyone knows that I am agnostic and not atheist and my spirituality is quite intact. Most atheists make the same logic mistakes as the devout do and I've never been able to subscribe to that mode of thinking.

I find most earthbound phenomena can be explained away with pretty simple logic but there is waaay more than what we see in front of our noses going on. With organised religion I find beyond the fact that they are man-made legends, a sense of hubris and tunnel-vision for those who follow. To be so arrogant as to finalise any belief structure as mega as the nature of the universe in our short little lives with such a meagre perception as what we are given is pathetic to me.

But likewise, I'm not going to delve into my own experiences here.
 
Robert "Monkey" Loggia said:
Okay. Let's talk about this a little more seriously. Something about TK always makes me confrontational and pedantic.
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Not a problem. However, I avoid talking to non-believers not because I'm judgmental or damning them (so you got me wrong on that) but because it isn't my gift.

The "church" is the body of Christ. Consider your foot. Do you brush your teeth with your feet? Course not. Do you shit out your ear? Again... I'm sure you get the point. My function/gift within the body is toward believers. I cannot affect a reasonable argument that you desire. The best we can come to is that I ackowledge you for who you are and you nod back knowing that I'll never try to proselytize at you. God has other men with that gift.

I don't believe in Christianity. You do. Big whoop. To each their own.
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Exactly. No sweat off my brow.

My problem is with the majority of the followers of Christianity, and by condemning the religion and attacking it, I am acting like them and being a hypocrite. I apologize.
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Not necessary. 99% of people fall into certain molds and forms that are expected of them. Chrsitians suffer this just as badly and mainly in extreme error.

I disagree with the behavior that most Christians exhibit, ranging from damning others to hell to behaving more un-Christlike than non-Christians to converting people through violent means to shoving their religion into politics on a grand scale.
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So the fuck do I. They're pharisees, and Jesus hated them.

Cranky, by cussing me, mocking me, and instigating me, you are doing those things that frustrate me about Christians - they claim to follow the word of Christ but behave like those that follow the ways of Satan.
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I didn't cuss you in any judgmental fashion from a christian perspective. YOU are the people that Jesus came for. The fucking organized church are the ones that Jesus HATED. I cussed you as a man. The only address I made to you as a christian is that I can't answer your questions. The rest was me.

I've met more jews, pagans, and buddhists that behave in the proper Christian way than those that claim to be followers of Jesus.
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Fallacy. I don't condemn you for it except as a man. The "christian way" has completely been shit all over by man and the organized church. Today's "christian way" has nothing to do with the gospel.

What makes Christians this way?
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Leave it to man to fuck things up.
Is it the "knowledge" that you can do whatever you want and just say "Hallelujah, I believe in Jesus, so I'm forgiven" that turns most of you into such condescending, judgmental, mean-spirited individuals that go around and continue to perpetuate the bad image that you have?
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Such is the state of today's church. You will receive no christian argument or a secular argument there. We are in agreement.
If you are going to claim to follow the word of the Lord, why don't you REALLY act like it?
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I'm not trying to bore you here, but let me quote something pertinent from the bible about me "acting" like it. It's out of Romans 4.

4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness

The gospel is that works are fulfilled and dead with the crucified redeemer. Only faith now saves. Works cannot save and God thus saves the UNgodly.

If no amount of works can get me to heaven, then why the shit should I have to perform to satisfy some idiot hair-sprayed televangelist?

FUCK HIM! Works are dead.

That might confuse you. Faith brings the spirit of god and good works of love and charity flow from within. "Love" they neighbor applies right here in this post. We translate the word love used in the Greek into one word. the greeks have three words for love. The word Christ used meant: to be willing to set aside your life (time) for your neighbor.

Which is exactly what I'm doing in this thread. So.... while it may appear to YOU based on fallacious cultural expectations given to you by idiot christians that I am not "acting" like a christian, I actually am and am fulfilling the commandment.

And how is my claiming that Jews don't hate Jesus equate to being "cliché" and overdone? I'm being honest - I have not run into a single Jew that claims to hate Jesus.
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Then we have had different experiences. I grew up in California in the richer areas. The Jews I met all universally attacked, pilloried, and even questioned the existence of Jesus.

I tried to keep this secular but the verse was pertinent.
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