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How to tell you're a Conservative....

Obviously, this is more complicated than this short post allows, and I would appreciate it, Wordin, if you would try not to reduce me to a stereotype of a conservative in your reply and attribute to me arguments I have not made.

Stereotyping? False attribution? These are things you do to me, my dear, not things I do to you. I'm scrupulous about not dismissing people based on stereotypes--even if, as in your case, they don't pay me the same courtesy.

At any rate, I find this question interesting because there are several ways one can argue against government intervention in the economy. One argument is that poor people deserve to be poor, for whatever reason, and therefore shouldn't be given assistance. This claim doesn't rely on empirical evidence, but on a certain conception of political morality and the purpose of government. The argument you seem to suggest is different in that it does rely on an empirical claim: the notion that government intervention makes people worse off. It conceeds, at least implicity, that government ought to promote the welfare of people at the bottom; the only question is how best to go about it.

Personally, I think arguments against government based in political morality are more successful. There are strong libertarian arguments against redistribution, for example. Empirical arguments against government are more difficult, at least in a broad sense, because you actually have to show that poor people are better off when government ends redistribution. That's a difficult argument to make, considering that over the last quarter century, redistributive programs have contracted, minimum wage has stagnated, while at the same time those living in poverty have done slightly worse. Of course, one can still convincingly argue that specific programs are harmful to public welfare.
 
WordInterrupted said:
You're just restating what I said in different terms.

If by the simple, "different," you mean "stripped of all the hyperemotional garbage"... then yes. The terms could not have been more different.

Why don't you let Number 6 speak for himself?

Do you think I'm stopping him? I don't.
 
You've named your kids "Deduction one" and "Deduction two"
No, I didn't.

You're a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.
Equating eggs with lemons. Unborn babies committed no crime.

The only union you support is the baseball players, because heck, they're richer than you.
Hmmm... auto union worker made $20+ an hour when I was making $8 and couldn't afford his product. Now, he's out of a job.

You think trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
No - I think trade with all of them is wrong.

You believe global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
Nope, don't believe that either.

You once broke loose at a party and removed your neck tie.
Nope, never wore a neck tie.

You don't let your kids watch Sesame Street because you accuse Bert and Ernie of "sexual deviance."
Nope.

You've ever said "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
Nope.

You've ever called education a luxury.
Let me see - yes, it is. I'm of the working class that gets to pay for the higher education given to the unfortunates so they can make more money while I can't afford college so just have to keep working at the lower paying jobs. That is a Democratic idea.

You wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-deductable.
I can donate to the Pentagon?

You own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
Nope.

You despise the "liberal media."
Yes, I do.

You ever told a child that Oscar the Grouch "lives in a trash can because he is lazy and doesn't want to contribute to society."
Nope.

You think God hates homosexuality, but loves the death penalty.
Actually, read the King James version of the Bible - he does.

You're for prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.
No, I don't want to pray to Buddah or Allah, and where I pray, if I pray, is nobody's business but my own.

You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.
Nope.

You think "bipartisan" means Democrats should compromise on something.
It would be nice if they did.

You've never met a tax cut you didn't like.
I would like to keep more of the money I earn, yes.

You believe the hole in the ozone layer to be a myth created by crazy liberals.
Nope.

You fervently speak about the evils of marijuana at social gatherings with a vodka straight in hand.
Nope, and I don't drink alcohol.

You think the words feminist and lesbian are synonyms.
Wrong, again.

And, I am a conservative.
 
Yeah, but i'm too busy on EI doing natal charts to debate with you right now. Can it wait till later?
 
Sure - but, remember, I lived in a Baptist orphanage for 3 years. I have the word of God beat into me.
 
Is King James famous for anything other than his Bible? Is General Tsao famous for anything other than his delicious chicken?
 
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