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Is anybody watching this Presidential Debate?
- Thread starter eloisel
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Folces Weard
tee-hee he said "orgy"
eloisel
Forever Empress E
OMG
I can not believe Obama opened the door on the crap with North Korea. Does he not remember Clinton's 1994 agreement with North Korea to back down on their nuclear stance and then North Korea renigged on the deal and kept the incentives we, the taxpayers, paid for? I guess not. Apparently McCain didn't either or he would have wiped the floor with Obama instead of just throwing a wet rag at him.
I can not believe Obama opened the door on the crap with North Korea. Does he not remember Clinton's 1994 agreement with North Korea to back down on their nuclear stance and then North Korea renigged on the deal and kept the incentives we, the taxpayers, paid for? I guess not. Apparently McCain didn't either or he would have wiped the floor with Obama instead of just throwing a wet rag at him.
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Folces Weard
How can you not give a nation full of people with names like "Hyun Hak-Bong" a second, third, or fourth chance?
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Exactly. If they were good enough to give a few hundred million dollars to before, they are certainly good to give a few hundred million dollars to again - for absolutely nothing!!! Then Obama goes on about how Bush's misspent tax dollars are keeping all the little children from having health care.
With Obama bringing it up a few times that Osama is still free, I'm surprised McCain didn't bring up the fact that good ol' Bill had a time or two to kill Osama BEFORE 9/11 and good ol' Bill flubarred.
With Obama bringing it up a few times that Osama is still free, I'm surprised McCain didn't bring up the fact that good ol' Bill had a time or two to kill Osama BEFORE 9/11 and good ol' Bill flubarred.
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Folces Weard
Don't tell anybody, but I think we'd all be better off if we all agreed to let China annex North Korea. The Commies don't lose anybody else, the North Koreans actually get fed and maybe even get to poke their heads outside once in a while, and we have one less insane, potentially nuclear state to deal with.
South Korea might complain, but we can just throw all that money we were planning to throw at the Norks at them and tell them they're lucky that we don't let China annex them and their juicy $1 trillion GDP too.
South Korea might complain, but we can just throw all that money we were planning to throw at the Norks at them and tell them they're lucky that we don't let China annex them and their juicy $1 trillion GDP too.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
China doesn't have to annex North Korea. China is North Korea's biggest trading partner and their nuclear enabler. They already own them. We'd hoped China would have put the muscle on North Korea about the nuclear crap since they are such buddies but it isn't in China's best interests to change anything about North Korea. You never know when they might need a mad dog. Besides, we'll make another deal with North Korea - which they still won't keep - and give them a ton of money, food, supplies, provide them with two light nuclear reactors and a massive amount of oil and China will reap the benefit.
Sarek
Vuhlkansu Wihs
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if Bush senior would have done the job in Iraq the first time, his lying bastard of a son wouldn't have spent thousands of American lives and billions of US dollars fucking around in Iraq instead of taking out Bin Laden this time around.
Clinton missed once. Bush has missed for 7 years straight. Are you conservatives EVER going to acknowledge the fact that when it comes to screwing the pooch, Bush Jr. takes home the trophy?
Fundamentalism
Leftist Nazi Churchgoer
Did you change your tune, or do I remember incorrectly how you were a Bush supporter, 4 years ago?
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Actually, Bush senior had no reason to go after Osama then. Osama was our friend - you know - the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Conversly, Clinton had several good reasons to go after Osama. To his credit, he did. All three times he failed. Bombing the empty tent was good. Clinton had his own agenda - ignore the bombings of the WTC then, the Cole, the U.S. African embassies - because he wanted it to appear he had a peaceful regime. Yeah. Right.
I don't know that Bush junior takes the trophy. I think that in the beginning he was the right person to respond to the 9/11 crisis. I even agree that toppling the Saddam Hussein regime was the right thing to do. I have said this many times over the years - I would have done it differently. But, I don't have the same intel he is provided. I also don't have conversations with other world leaders about what they will and will not publicly support or what they will do out of the public eye. I think we should have had some stronger candidates at the 2004 elections. Kerry just sucked.
Sarek
Vuhlkansu Wihs
Did you change your tune, or do I remember incorrectly how you were a Bush supporter, 4 years ago?
I've stated for the record a number of times that I supported Bush the first time around. I think he did a fairly good job following the attacks of 9/11 right up to the point where he diverted our troops and resources into Iraq. As a military man, it was my responsibility to follow the lawful orders of the commander in chief regardless of my personal opinions. As a retired military man, I can now voice my opinion.
Sarek
Vuhlkansu Wihs
And what the hell does that have to do with Saddam? We were damn near on his palace door step back in '91. Instead of finishing the job, Bush Sr. pulled back and left him in power.
There's no doubt that Clinton made mistakes. But that's not the issue. The issue is, do you conservatives EVER take responsibility for your screw ups instead of blaming someone else?
eloisel said:
He diverted our resources from the hunt for Al Queda and Bin Laden to look for non existent WMD's in Iraq. He claimed that Iraq was a hotbed for Al Queda training. Al Queda WASN'T even in Iraq until WE enticed them there with our presence. He's spent billions of dollars invading and now "rebuilding" Iraq and cost thousands of American lives on a goose chase that further destabilized the middle east. And yet Bin Laden STILL runs free and Bush has been the hand puppet of the Pakistani government, a government with known terrorist ties, when we know that there's better intel that that's where Bin Laden is then there was on WMD's in Iraq. Yet, you guys STILL blame Clinton.
And don't give me this "Kerry sucked" crap. You Kool Aid consumers blindly think every candidate but your own sucks regardless to their credentials.
Hero1000
New member
lol, that was my favorite part
Archibald Nixon
anti-life coach
Who the fuck are you, and where the hell have you hidden Sarek's body?
bad dog
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Congress stopped the war, you know that. read the book (you know books) by general norman schwarzkopf " in his own words" we had french, germans candians, americans all working together and norman said" Im 3 days from baghdad and now they tell me to stop"
Dont blame Bush1 , he had no say in the half assed war.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Look, Sarek, there is no doubt that you are a bigger bitch than I am. Good for you. If you don't like the answers to your questions, then don't fucking ask the god damned questions.
Sarek
Vuhlkansu Wihs
Try answering the questions instead of going on about something totally different. I said Bush senior didn't finish the job in Iraq and oust Saddamin 91. You went off about how Osama was our friend in 91.
As we attacked Iraq in 91, I'm failing to see what Bush senior's friendship with Osama had to do with my question. Did Osama have tea with Bush and ask him not burn his buddy Saddam at the stake or something? Of course, that would have later tied Bush Jr's claims that Bin Laden and Saddam were buds that planned 9/11 together. And we all know that was bullshit.
As we attacked Iraq in 91, I'm failing to see what Bush senior's friendship with Osama had to do with my question. Did Osama have tea with Bush and ask him not burn his buddy Saddam at the stake or something? Of course, that would have later tied Bush Jr's claims that Bin Laden and Saddam were buds that planned 9/11 together. And we all know that was bullshit.