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Israel Warns Iran
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Oh my god it's Robby!
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Marquis De Sade
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/16/israel.swap/index.html
ROSH HANIKRA, Israel (CNN) -- Israeli forensic experts have begun trying to identify the remains of what are believed to be the two captured Israeli soldiers, the Israel Defense Forces said.
Hezbollah officials handed over two black coffins to Red Cross officials who will carry them over the border to Israel.
If forensics expert determine that the remains are those of Staff Sgt. Ehud Goldwasser and Sgt. First Class Eldad Regev, Israel will turn over to Hezbollah five Lebanese prisoners -- including convicted murder Samir Kuntar, who many Israelis consider the embodiment of evil.
Israel is also returning the remains of 199 fighters from Lebanon who Israel says were killed in clashes over the years. Nineteen coffins were being transferred onto Red Cross trucks and sent to the Lebanese side, the Israeli military said.
The forensic determination is expected to take several hours.
The Israel Defense Forces said it would not comment on the transfer until it was complete.
"The IDF has yet to complete the process of identifying the soldiers' remains and will therefore make no comments about the process conclusions until those are completed and the families of the soldiers are notified," it said in a statement.
The transfer began shortly before 10 a.m. Israel time (3 a.m. ET) at the Rosh Hanikra crossing in western Galilee, which the army had declared a closed military zone a day earlier.
The swap caps a tireless campaign by the soldiers' families to bring them home. It also ends decades of resistance by the Israeli government, which wanted to use Kuntar as a bargaining chip to obtain information about a missing airman whose plane crashed in Lebanon in 1986.
The Shiite militia Hezbollah cast the swap as a victory for all Lebanese, with one official calling it "an official admission of defeat."
On Saturday, Hezbollah delivered to Israel its report on the status of the airman, Ron Arad. Despite Prime Minister Ehud Olmert calling the report "absolutely unsatisfactory," the Israel Cabinet cheerlessly approved the swap in a 22-to-3 vote on Tuesday.
The day promises to be a somber one for Israel, but Lebanon was planning a boisterous "welcome home" ceremony for Kuntar and the four other prisoners.
It set up a makeshift stage in the southern coastal town of Naqoura, through which the prisoners will be taken during their journey from the border swap to the capital, Beirut.
Yellow Hezbollah flags, as well as Lebanon's green, red and white flags, fluttered in the breeze. Supporters banged drums and sang. Banners lined the highway, proclaiming, "Israel is shedding tears of pain; Lebanon is shedding tears of joy."
A funeral procession for the 199 remains will be conducted Thursday.
The two Israeli soldiers were captured when Hezbollah militants crossed into Israel on a raid in July 2006. Later that year, Israel and Hezbollah fought a 34-day war during which Israeli troops invaded Lebanon in an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the soldiers.
Hezbollah had given no indication the men are alive. Some newspapers in Israel had speculated that one of the soldiers may be alive, but Olmert told his Cabinet last month that his government did not think the men survived.
A day before the transfer, Goldwasser's father, Shlomo, held out hope about his son's fate.
"They were kidnapped alive. (Hezbollah leader) Hassan Nassrallah swears on it the first day that he announced to the world he kidnapped two soldiers alive," the father said. "If tomorrow he brings them in coffins, it means that he killed them -- his words. It means that they killed them, and if he killed them I am waiting for him to be punished."
For its part, Hezbollah is most interested in the release of convicted Kuntar, the longest-serving Lebanese prisoner in Israel.
The Shiite Muslim militia group hails him as a hero.
Kuntar, who had been a member of the Palestine Liberation Front, led a group of four men who entered Israel from Lebanon by boat in 1979. They killed a police officer who came across them. Then they took a 28-year-old man and his four-year-old daughter hostage.
Kuntar shot the father dead at close range in front of his daughter and tossed his body in the sea. He also smashed the girl's head, killing her, too.
A 2-year-old daughter suffocated as her mother tried to stop her from crying as they hid from Kuntar.
He was sentenced to life and spent the last three decades in an Israeli jail -- until Wednesday, when he is expected to return home to a hero's welcome.
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Sylvain Shalom, former Israeli foreign minister commented - among many others - that this move was humiliation for Israel, and Israel should not have handed the terrorists to the Iranian-backed militia. I agree.
ROSH HANIKRA, Israel (CNN) -- Israeli forensic experts have begun trying to identify the remains of what are believed to be the two captured Israeli soldiers, the Israel Defense Forces said.
Hezbollah officials handed over two black coffins to Red Cross officials who will carry them over the border to Israel.
If forensics expert determine that the remains are those of Staff Sgt. Ehud Goldwasser and Sgt. First Class Eldad Regev, Israel will turn over to Hezbollah five Lebanese prisoners -- including convicted murder Samir Kuntar, who many Israelis consider the embodiment of evil.
Israel is also returning the remains of 199 fighters from Lebanon who Israel says were killed in clashes over the years. Nineteen coffins were being transferred onto Red Cross trucks and sent to the Lebanese side, the Israeli military said.
The forensic determination is expected to take several hours.
The Israel Defense Forces said it would not comment on the transfer until it was complete.
"The IDF has yet to complete the process of identifying the soldiers' remains and will therefore make no comments about the process conclusions until those are completed and the families of the soldiers are notified," it said in a statement.
The transfer began shortly before 10 a.m. Israel time (3 a.m. ET) at the Rosh Hanikra crossing in western Galilee, which the army had declared a closed military zone a day earlier.
The swap caps a tireless campaign by the soldiers' families to bring them home. It also ends decades of resistance by the Israeli government, which wanted to use Kuntar as a bargaining chip to obtain information about a missing airman whose plane crashed in Lebanon in 1986.
The Shiite militia Hezbollah cast the swap as a victory for all Lebanese, with one official calling it "an official admission of defeat."
On Saturday, Hezbollah delivered to Israel its report on the status of the airman, Ron Arad. Despite Prime Minister Ehud Olmert calling the report "absolutely unsatisfactory," the Israel Cabinet cheerlessly approved the swap in a 22-to-3 vote on Tuesday.
The day promises to be a somber one for Israel, but Lebanon was planning a boisterous "welcome home" ceremony for Kuntar and the four other prisoners.
It set up a makeshift stage in the southern coastal town of Naqoura, through which the prisoners will be taken during their journey from the border swap to the capital, Beirut.
Yellow Hezbollah flags, as well as Lebanon's green, red and white flags, fluttered in the breeze. Supporters banged drums and sang. Banners lined the highway, proclaiming, "Israel is shedding tears of pain; Lebanon is shedding tears of joy."
A funeral procession for the 199 remains will be conducted Thursday.
The two Israeli soldiers were captured when Hezbollah militants crossed into Israel on a raid in July 2006. Later that year, Israel and Hezbollah fought a 34-day war during which Israeli troops invaded Lebanon in an unsuccessful attempt to rescue the soldiers.
Hezbollah had given no indication the men are alive. Some newspapers in Israel had speculated that one of the soldiers may be alive, but Olmert told his Cabinet last month that his government did not think the men survived.
A day before the transfer, Goldwasser's father, Shlomo, held out hope about his son's fate.
"They were kidnapped alive. (Hezbollah leader) Hassan Nassrallah swears on it the first day that he announced to the world he kidnapped two soldiers alive," the father said. "If tomorrow he brings them in coffins, it means that he killed them -- his words. It means that they killed them, and if he killed them I am waiting for him to be punished."
For its part, Hezbollah is most interested in the release of convicted Kuntar, the longest-serving Lebanese prisoner in Israel.
The Shiite Muslim militia group hails him as a hero.
Kuntar, who had been a member of the Palestine Liberation Front, led a group of four men who entered Israel from Lebanon by boat in 1979. They killed a police officer who came across them. Then they took a 28-year-old man and his four-year-old daughter hostage.
Kuntar shot the father dead at close range in front of his daughter and tossed his body in the sea. He also smashed the girl's head, killing her, too.
A 2-year-old daughter suffocated as her mother tried to stop her from crying as they hid from Kuntar.
He was sentenced to life and spent the last three decades in an Israeli jail -- until Wednesday, when he is expected to return home to a hero's welcome.
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Sylvain Shalom, former Israeli foreign minister commented - among many others - that this move was humiliation for Israel, and Israel should not have handed the terrorists to the Iranian-backed militia. I agree.
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
Mighty Israel doesn't exactly seem in a position to "warn" anyone.
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
:bigass:
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
Precisely, moron.
Practice what you preach, for a change, instead of dancing around posting shitty articles such as "Israel Warns Iran", and base yourself on them to act as if you know anything about anything going on in the middle east.
Practice what you preach, for a change, instead of dancing around posting shitty articles such as "Israel Warns Iran", and base yourself on them to act as if you know anything about anything going on in the middle east.
Oh my god it's Robby!
Rebel
letting a scumbag like Samir Kuntar go is just the kind of thing Israel can use a as a prelude to a future strike of some type
see, thats how these things work, Israel is not going lose a ground war anytime soon(in another decade or so they might, but thats what their nukes are for!)
but the 'moral war' is won they win a lot less than they use to
so they give up this scumbag, makes some fams happy
then he kills again & they bomb the hell out of Lebanon again trying to kill him this time
some might call such exchanges 'a win a win' for everyone...
see, thats how these things work, Israel is not going lose a ground war anytime soon(in another decade or so they might, but thats what their nukes are for!)
but the 'moral war' is won they win a lot less than they use to
so they give up this scumbag, makes some fams happy
then he kills again & they bomb the hell out of Lebanon again trying to kill him this time
some might call such exchanges 'a win a win' for everyone...
jack
The Legendary Troll King
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jack
The Legendary Troll King
Just keep in mind when you add the "israel is very humiliated by their actions", which you add to nearly every blurb you present in an edited fashion you're adding words that weren't in the original article.
Idiot.
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
Israel does not need pretexts to launch wars. It already lost a ground war two years ago, is getting politically/diplomatically decimated by guerilla groups, is facing a threat of internal implosions, and is being forced to admittedly humiliating situations.
No matter how you look at it, the fact that they gave Hezbollah (remember that their deal was with the Iran-backed militia, and not the state of Lebanon; way to go for not negotiating with terrorists) 200 corpses + one killer + 4 fighters in return for two mutilated corpses (they did not know they were dead until after the deal was done) is in no way a win in Israel. On one side you have a demoralized Israel with its officials losing their nerves in public, on the other you have celebrations and proclaims of victory.
Quntar would have been better off rotting in Israel.
I'll keep beating this dead horse of a thread until whacko jacko's prophecy comes true.
No matter how you look at it, the fact that they gave Hezbollah (remember that their deal was with the Iran-backed militia, and not the state of Lebanon; way to go for not negotiating with terrorists) 200 corpses + one killer + 4 fighters in return for two mutilated corpses (they did not know they were dead until after the deal was done) is in no way a win in Israel. On one side you have a demoralized Israel with its officials losing their nerves in public, on the other you have celebrations and proclaims of victory.
Quntar would have been better off rotting in Israel.
I'll keep beating this dead horse of a thread until whacko jacko's prophecy comes true.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
Just a minor point. They knew those two soldiers were dead from the get go. Try to keep stuff in perspective.
This is actually a HUGE "win" for Israel in every sense of the word. Your racist ignorance doesn't change the meaning of it at all.
As you'll see these exchanges are merely a pretext for the justified killing of the real extremists.
Archibald Nixon
anti-life coach
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
The Israeli government did not know whether the two kidnapped soldiers were dead or alive when they signed the deal with Hezbollah through the German meditator. Their death was not revealed until the last 48 hours.
Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
You clearly are clueless, as evidenced by your incoherent posting spree and your plethora of one liners attempting to rectify your earlier comments.
Calling people who disagree with you "morons" (how evil!) will not change the fact that Iran will not be nuked anytime in the near future (you specified the US elections, hah). And calling anyone who dares question the mythical military/diplomatic superiority of Israel a racist shows much of an immature hypocritical twat you are.
Calling people who disagree with you "morons" (how evil!) will not change the fact that Iran will not be nuked anytime in the near future (you specified the US elections, hah). And calling anyone who dares question the mythical military/diplomatic superiority of Israel a racist shows much of an immature hypocritical twat you are.