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Jena 6
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Red Whacker
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^Agreeing with Laker_Girl just makes you look desperate.
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eloisel said:
LOL!!! Where do you think your coloured men were running off to back when they were being hunted down like animals. Yes, sweet Canadian freedom.
eloisel said:
How about, not to make a perfect mess with it.
Donovan
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Some of the stuff the black kids did initially do sound like opportunism or baiting. Apparently there was a situation where some black kids deliberately went to hang out at a spot frequented by whites, pretty much like happens in any school lunch room (or prison yard)when cliques try to encroach on each others' territory. Sounds like the two groups were spoiling for a fight to begin with, and the tree thing was an excuse.
Of course, when you mix in hysterical media, hyper-litigious parents, militant civil rights groups and backward thinking mini-racists like some around here (whose initials are Laker Girl), it gets turned into a national event.
Of course, when you mix in hysterical media, hyper-litigious parents, militant civil rights groups and backward thinking mini-racists like some around here (whose initials are Laker Girl), it gets turned into a national event.
Donovan
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jack said:
Original sin. It's what separates us from the animals: the desire to be told what the rules are and then deliberately disobey. That's pretty much what got us kicked out of Eden, according to myth, because we became too much like the gods in our disobedience. Free will is a wonderful thing, but a misnomer: it's rarely without great cost.
Anna
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Canada, from what I've heard from other Canadians, used to heavily discriminate against Indians. I remember reading a book written by a Canadia author that referred to those with French/Indian blood as "Half-breeds."eloisel said:
That said, race relations in Canada aren't the SRS BZNS that it is in the U.S. Not by a long shot.
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Anna said:
Métis.
Anna
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I agree.eloisel said:
Even still, I think that attempted murder is far too strong a sentence for a fight that,depending on what source one reads, the boy that was beat up was able to go out that night. I have the feeling these kids could have gotten their hands on a gun, if they indeed wanted to kill this boy. That's what I thought the outrage was over, and not that any of them should be left off the hook entirely, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some (like Jesse Jackson) were trying to get them off entirely.
eloisel
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True - citing sneakers as lethal weapons is a bit much. The kids did have a gun - after the fight in the store, the white kid ran to his vehicle and got a gun, one of the black kids took it from him and then six black kids beat up the white kid. The black kid that took the gun took it home and he was charged with theft of a firearm. The white kid wasn't charged with anything. Maybe he had a permit to carry the gun and to carry it in his vehicle the way it was stored. Nobody is reporting why he wasn't charged with anything, just that he wasn't and implying that it makes it unfair. That is one of the aspects of this whole story, incomplete reporting, skewing the stories to keep it just about race. The way the reporting is, everybody is a bad actor from the police to the average citizen in the community - they are all somehow involved in the seething tension that explodes regularly into fires and fighting. It is amazing no one is actually dead at this point. I see another Rosewood happening all over again because these fools can't get over their retardedness. They should all be put on restriction, water and bread rations, made to write a million word essay on why they should treat all people with respect regardless of the color of their skin, no turkey at Thanksgiving and lumps of coal in their stockings at Christmas. Maybe they'll be repentant enough to turn over a new leaf by New Years.Anna said:
Anna
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Yeah, I've been noticing that there are about at least ten different versions of this story floating around, and I can't tell which is true or not.
Minors are allowed to carry firearms? :huh: I 'm not sure if anyone under eighteen could get a gun license (assuming he's under 18, but I could be wrong).
eloisel
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This snopes article is interesting, yet another version:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/jena6.asp
There is some explanation, too, as to why it may have been decided to charge the black kids as adults with respect to the school beating. Two of them had been involved in the convenience store incident and one of them had a number of prior convictions for violent assaults.
The white kid who owned and pulled the pump action shotgun on the 3 black kids outside the store was a graduate of the school where all the trouble was going on. Still, it is not known how old he is nor is there any reference to whether he was carrying the weapon illegally. I think it is telling that this part of the story gets mangled up with the story about the fight at the school. I wonder if anyone reporting this story has actually investigated it to determine what happened and when and where.
There is also the part about the fight at the party. Initially, the person at the door told some kids that showed up and wanted in that the party was invitation only. Now, these kids should have gone on because people are allowed to have private parties for only the people they invite. That doesn't make it a race issue. But, the kids, who are black, tried to argue that because there were other black kids at the party they should be allowed in. So, some guy who appears to be older and is white gets in it and mixes it up with the black kids. Who was making it a race issue, then?
Many years ago, back in the late 70s, I moved to the tiny town of Chickasaw, Alabama. One day I needed to do laundry and found one not too far away in the neighboring tiny city of Pender - about 3 blocks away. When I went into the laundrymat there were about 10 black women in there doing their laundry. Being new to the area and still fairly young, I tried to strike up a conversation with the people in the laundrymat, as any woman in the country at that time, so I thought, might do. Pretty quickly all but one of the women left. The one that remained actually talked to me. She told me that because I wasn't from around there I didn't know the rules. The rules were the whites stayed in Chickasaw and the blacks stayed in Pender and the two didn't mix. She was nice enough about it but it was a bit freaky. The 60s weren't that far behind us that I could have forgotten all the people, white and black, that had tried to forge a way to get along with one another, desegregate the neighborhoods and schools, and break down the barriers that brought about separate public facilities such as bathrooms and drinking fountains and where to sit on a bus that kept us at odds over the simplest of things. What is sad that here it is all these many years later and it seems to be no better at least in the places like Jena in this country. Those people work at keeping their hate alive. When will they ever learn that the world isn't just about being black or white?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/jena6.asp
There is some explanation, too, as to why it may have been decided to charge the black kids as adults with respect to the school beating. Two of them had been involved in the convenience store incident and one of them had a number of prior convictions for violent assaults.
The white kid who owned and pulled the pump action shotgun on the 3 black kids outside the store was a graduate of the school where all the trouble was going on. Still, it is not known how old he is nor is there any reference to whether he was carrying the weapon illegally. I think it is telling that this part of the story gets mangled up with the story about the fight at the school. I wonder if anyone reporting this story has actually investigated it to determine what happened and when and where.
There is also the part about the fight at the party. Initially, the person at the door told some kids that showed up and wanted in that the party was invitation only. Now, these kids should have gone on because people are allowed to have private parties for only the people they invite. That doesn't make it a race issue. But, the kids, who are black, tried to argue that because there were other black kids at the party they should be allowed in. So, some guy who appears to be older and is white gets in it and mixes it up with the black kids. Who was making it a race issue, then?
Many years ago, back in the late 70s, I moved to the tiny town of Chickasaw, Alabama. One day I needed to do laundry and found one not too far away in the neighboring tiny city of Pender - about 3 blocks away. When I went into the laundrymat there were about 10 black women in there doing their laundry. Being new to the area and still fairly young, I tried to strike up a conversation with the people in the laundrymat, as any woman in the country at that time, so I thought, might do. Pretty quickly all but one of the women left. The one that remained actually talked to me. She told me that because I wasn't from around there I didn't know the rules. The rules were the whites stayed in Chickasaw and the blacks stayed in Pender and the two didn't mix. She was nice enough about it but it was a bit freaky. The 60s weren't that far behind us that I could have forgotten all the people, white and black, that had tried to forge a way to get along with one another, desegregate the neighborhoods and schools, and break down the barriers that brought about separate public facilities such as bathrooms and drinking fountains and where to sit on a bus that kept us at odds over the simplest of things. What is sad that here it is all these many years later and it seems to be no better at least in the places like Jena in this country. Those people work at keeping their hate alive. When will they ever learn that the world isn't just about being black or white?
Dr Phil had a bunch of the Jena 6 people on his show yesterday. I only saw a few minutes of it because I don't watch talk shows much, but it was interesting. The parents of the kid who was beat up were on there, Al Sharpton was on via satellite, also the lawyer of the kid who stayed in jail the longest. I guess when they taped the show the kid was still in jail, I think I read he was released the other day. The lawyer was hilarious cause she had these big bug eyes that got bigger every time she said something. I can't remember much of what she said.. I was too busy looking at her eyes. I do remember thinking that she wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed because she never answered the questions she was asked with a real answer but instead repeated the Al Sharpton mantra.. blah blah CIVIL RIGHTS blah blah.
The whole thing was lost in Al Sharpton's singsong preachiness.. but the parents of the kid who was beat up have a point. No matter what their kid said to those boys who beat him up, they didn't have a right to beat him unconscious and then continue to kick him and stomp on his head.
A teacher from the school was there and she let Al have it... when he'd shut up long enough for her to speak.
The whole thing was lost in Al Sharpton's singsong preachiness.. but the parents of the kid who was beat up have a point. No matter what their kid said to those boys who beat him up, they didn't have a right to beat him unconscious and then continue to kick him and stomp on his head.
A teacher from the school was there and she let Al have it... when he'd shut up long enough for her to speak.