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Just watched BSG until my eyes crossed.

Starbuck just got blowed up real good, which put an end to the stoopid forbidden love story and made me very pleased. Now Baltar's on trial and I like his lawyer, but then they blew up the lawyer and now freaking Lee gets to be the lawyer. DOES ANYBODY ON THIS DAMN SHIP HAVE SKILLZ BESIDES THAT FRIGGING GUY? He shows up in every damn storyline. Need a CAG? No sweat, Lee can do it. Ship commander? Let's go with Lee on that one. Lawyer? Lee. Pilot? Lee. Security? Marines. Plus Lee. Presidential Aide? Umm, Lee has an open spot between lunch and dinner.
Toilet clogged on the flight quarterdeck? Lee and a plunger.

For FRAK's SAKE! Train somebody else to do some shit! Last night that pro sport guy was talking to Lee (because in addition to his other duties, Lee is the only pilot who loved dead Starbuck enough to put up her picture) and he said, "Hey Lee, see you around, buddy." Why, you got a major storyline coming up? Lee gonna be a pro athlete now too? Maybe team doctor? Maybe run for president next? Jeesus Christ, all forty-seven copies of Boomer and fifty-three number sixes think that guy is overexposed.
 
Starbuck just got blowed up real good, which put an end to the stoopid forbidden love story and made me very pleased. Now Baltar's on trial and I like his lawyer, but then they blew up the lawyer and now freaking Lee gets to be the lawyer. DOES ANYBODY ON THIS DAMN SHIP HAVE SKILLZ BESIDES THAT FRIGGING GUY? He shows up in every damn storyline. Need a CAG? No sweat, Lee can do it. Ship commander? Let's go with Lee on that one. Lawyer? Lee. Pilot? Lee. Security? Marines. Plus Lee. Presidential Aide? Umm, Lee has an open spot between lunch and dinner.
Toilet clogged on the flight quarterdeck? Lee and a plunger.

For FRAK's SAKE! Train somebody else to do some shit! Last night that pro sport guy was talking to Lee (because in addition to his other duties, Lee is the only pilot who loved dead Starbuck enough to put up her picture) and he said, "Hey Lee, see you around, buddy." Why, you got a major storyline coming up? Lee gonna be a pro athlete now too? Maybe team doctor? Maybe run for president next? Jeesus Christ, all forty-seven copies of Boomer and fifty-three number sixes think that guy is overexposed.
 
Well they did do a whole episode with Rollo teaching Lee how to be a lawyer (it's been so long since I've seen it I can't remember why Rollo wasn't Baltar's Lawyer himself...or even if his name was Rollo and not Romo. I remember the bit where his cat saved him from being blown up. And he didn't even like that cat!) Lee's inexperience might come into play in the finale of course.

Did you like Baltar talking in a Yorkshire accent in Dirty Hands?

Maelstrom I thought was quite a strong episode and an interesting look at suicidal thoughts, but if you hate Starbuck I suppose there's just the joy of watching her die. EJO totally improvised that bit where he smashed up the model ship (and it was worth a lot of money.) Because he's insane and awesome.
 
I did like that episode, even in the way I was supposed to. I also noticed Baltar's accent change even though my ear is not so nearly as able to pick out regional dialects. Tone deaf yankee.

The lawyer got blowed up on the way to the bathroom, and lived, but the point is he'd have been cooler as an anti Adama figure for Lee to look up to.
 
Finally got around to watching the last of S3 and am into S4. Hmmm, called it on Sol Tigh being a secret cylon, the chief seems kind of awkward, the new president's helper girl is okay I guess, and the sports guy is probably the best "reasonable" secret cylon choice because he was on the planet for a while. Of course, the odds of all five secret cylons being in place on the surviving bits of human space travel, despite no one Cylon or Human knowing they exist, stretches credibility a LOT.

A LOT.

They went from billions on twelve worlds to 30k. And just HAPPENED to have all five lost cylons positioned on the one ship that could get them out when the planet was suddenly nuked. Meh.

Angsty McAngstberger Starbuck is back alive. Double Meh. Not only that, she is twice as annoying as the tortured prophet who paints planets on bulkhead walls. I hope she gets blowed up again, but I don't think that will happen.

Cylon war is kinda awesome, I wish they'd play more of that, the cylon characters are by far the most interesting on the show right now, as they try to sort out exactly WTF they're supposed to be.

The raider sees the secret cylon and recognizes him. Wouldn't it stand to reason that would have happened with Tigh or Chief on New Caprica?

Speaking of annoying prophets: wanna ease up the throttle on the "one true god" Baltar stuff? The Baltar Redemption is about as thinly veiled as a hindu stripper and as subtle as a jackboot to the nutz. I want to see a morally bankrupt twat preaching love and forgiveness at me I'll watch CBN.

"Watchtower" as the secret cylon code song: pretty damn funny in context of all the born again religious subtext. Maybe Baltar should have his people go door to door with pamphlets. What, Norman Greenbaum's "spirit in the sky" didn't want any of that?
 
You pretty much hit the nail on the head about why the show lost favour with me. It started off as an antithesis to Star Trek. This wasn't the best ship in the fleet and neither were the crew. They weren't perfect and they weren't special. But then, gradually, it turned out that Adama had helped give the Cylons an excuse to attack (the probing of their space with the stealth ship in "Hero") and low and behold, the four remaining incognito Cylons were aboard his ship. One of them was his best friend. And you either buy into all that destiny crap, or you don't.

I still enjoyed the show over all, but to me, "destiny" and "God did it" is simply lazy writing which saps the drama out of any situation, because it can be resolved with a simple wave of the hand and without any proper explanation.
 
Well there's another explanation for the Final Five all ending up in the fleet (or four of them) which I'll post at the time it comes up, though I think 'The Plan' ruined that. But don't watch The Plan, it's shit.

Just because Baltar has become a genuine believer in something doesn't mean that something is literally true or that it's a good thing that Baltar believes in it. I liked the scene where he was willing to let the guy slash has throat to help the baby, even if it was a stupid thing to believe (err, I'm hoping that was right at the start of season four, otherwise it's a spoiler!)

But yeah I had problmes with "God did it" but to say more would be a spoiler. It wasn't quite as bad as "Jacob did it" from Lost because BSG wasn't quite as intensely focused on the mysteries and promising answers as Lost was.

Remember at the end of season two Tyrol thought he was a cylon and beat the shit out of Cally. So him being a Cylon has been hinted at (though at the time I don't think it was planned.)
 
From what I've read he wasnt even meant to be a regular, but kept building his part up with adlibs in the original mini series.
 
I think I'd be more forgiving of the inconsistencies in plotting if it weren't for jarring out of character moments. Like Baltar's conversion to true believer: it's not only plausible it's a natural growth arc for his character, and the actor is VERY strong, so he pulls it off. And yet, the President gets all pissed off at him playing the prophet card, which is pretty much EXACTLY what she did a couple seasons ago. Not to mention, Athena/NewBoomer over on the sideways mission is completely out of character in trying to mutiny. Wouldn't she be the first one to want to save some of her fellows who were needing assistance, if only to secure her fortunes with the humans a little better? And for that matter, what the hell is she doing on a two month possible suicide mission when she has a baby back at the Galactica, one she killed herself to save and who she KNOWS isn't safe without her? WTF writers? Do you READ your storyboards?

And conveniently placed secret cylons are just the unfortunate side effect of series television. If you start an arc with mystery players yet to be revealed, you really only have two choices: introduce new and major players just in time, making it obvious to the viewer that the new guy is the cylon; or, use existing characters and hope the swerve is better than the awkward retcon. Like I said when I was guessing, Tigh made a good choice simply because the secret cylons were said to have been around a long time, he mysteriously lived through months of torture on New Caprica, and it would make some sense for a tough old bastard like that to be one. The aide and the sports guy are relatively safe, having been regulars but with not too much backstory. And Tyril is a little awkward, but again the choices are limited. Bad choices would be any Adama, Baltar, the president or Starbuck the WhinyProphet. Too much history to retcon.

Good choices would be Zarek or Gaida. One complaint I have about tyril in the spot is that his kid pretty much negates the whole Hera storyline as unimportant. She isn't the dawn of a new race, she isn't even very unique any more.

Oh well. Like LOST, it isn't so much the destination as the journey, and I have enjoyed some of the actors in this series so far. I just wish the writers weren't so disjointed and uneven.
 
Oh yeah: Lee Adama on the witness stand for Baltar was Awesome. President "I'm dying...again." was the opposite of awesome.
 
I think a lot of fans were displeased when Baltar came up with a magical cylon cure to Roslin's cancer back in season two, which was probably only done so she could believably be on the show during the whole year they spent on New Caprica. I think the plan was always for her to be dying of cancer for the whole show.
 
Just watched the revelation show where they figure out it's the distant future or something. Whoopsie. Kinda guessed that was what was going to happen since there were so many obvious things saying "past" but stuff like the Watchtower song was problematic, and "nukes" and Shakespeare, etc. Makes me feel better about the original faux pas actually. But it begs the question: if the original five are from Earth, and it's the Earth of distant future, then logic dictates that the original five Cylons are the original humans, which means the term "Cylon" and "Human" are reversed and the cylons are the creator race. However, the Caprica series pretty clearly establishes the moment of origin for "cylons" and theoretically for the humanlike ones that came later.

So how does continuity address this? If the final five are cylons, then the cylons are the race of origin, but that eliminates their role as the creations of mankind, or the final five are not cylons at all.

Ouch. I just started talking like that reporter chick at the Grammys. I'm going to bed.
 
Sci-fi tv series are a lot like my relationships: they start out full of promise and special effects, they have a fantastic first season, then they get sidetracked by budget cuts, star egos and stupid soap opera storylines, everybody gets sick of the whole thing, but they limp along for another year or so out of nostalgia before finally dying a merciful death. Occasionally there's a reunion special or two years later, but it's never the same magic.
 
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