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And that's exactly what should happen to a party that only pretends to be different from its' "opposition." Destroy it and put a genuine alternative in its place.
 

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Actually, it's called being a Republican hypocrite. Not much more than that :D

That would satisfy the "conventional wisdom" idea of Ockham's Razor, wouldn't it? "The simplest answer is usually right."

Except that the "conventional wisdom" version of Ockham's Razor is inaccurate. Ockham's Razor really goes like this:

"The explanation with the fewest number of unnecessary variables is usually correct."

In the moment the photo was taken, those people were being whipped into an hysteria while having almost no verifiable data themselves. They were told that the place was under siege by an army of wild-eyed, bloodthirsty killers. That's the point of time the photo came from.

Later, after the panic had passed and genuine information came to light, the gent made his statement about tourists.

Now, here's the litmus test for our descriptions of the man's reaction:


Police allowing people into the capitol.

If it'd been a violent, armed siege, they wouldn't have done that. And yet... they did.

Now, that's not to say that the hysteria itself didn't result in needless violence -- an unarmed female Trump supporter was shot and killed, and I'm sure the police officer who pulled the trigger feared for his life. God knows she might have had chapstick in her purse, or something, he couldn't risk that.
 

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I know the hypothesis you speak of, not to be picky but it's Occam's razor, and I'm familiar with the idea.

That video is the part that shows the internal collusion and is different than what was happening in other parts of the building. That's why the investigation congress wants to do is so important. We need to know WHY that fucking cop opened a locked entryway into a secure part of the building. That certainly wasn't happening elsewhere.

I get what you're saying about the heat of the moment. What perplexes me is the optics of the verbiage. especially from someone like him. Damn he was in the thick of it and he knew they were in trouble. As far as Ashli goes, you really had to be there to appreciate what the cop did. If you watch the 10 minutes of the video before she crawls through the broken glass with what turned out to be a flag, if you were a cop thrust into that situation you'd shoot first and ask questions later. This was an armed, forced entrance into the building during congressional business. That's a felony. Sometimes you get killed by cops doing felonies. Can't say either way, but if you watch the minutes leading up to that moment, it's like out of Dawn of the Dead. so yeah, one less white terrorist gone. No big deal to me. You explain to me what her intent was...because obviously the cop sussed it.
 

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not to be picky but it's Occam's razor

William of Ockham might take issue with that; it's his razor, after all. :p

(Of course, his name is sometimes rendered as, 'Occam' -- but since it's plainly derived from the place-name of the village where he's thought to have been born; and since that place-name isn't sometimes rendered as 'Occam'; his name shouldn't be, either. So I don't. So nyer. :p lol)

Or we could go with the Latin: lex parsimoniae.
 

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Damn he was in the thick of it and he knew they were in trouble.

You're right; the investigation is important -- because there are two "versions" of what happened that day.

Version 1: Tens of thousands of armed people show up, lay siege to the capitol and yet somehow all those armed people... don't open fire? Casualties amount to a cop who has a heart attack and an unarmed woman shot by a cop?

Version 2: Big crowd shows up, and with the exception of a few violent instigators known to be aligned with antifa, pretty much confine their "siege" to walking into the building with cops okaying it and even staging photo ops; meanwhile, instigators on the "other side", meaning aides and functionaries of Congress, whip up a panic among the rest of the Congress-creatures in order to generate photo ops of their own for the media in order to paint a mostly peaceful protest as an "armed insurrection" -- kind of the converse of what happened all throughout last summer when full scale riots were called "mostly peaceful."
 

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I guess that's one way to look at it. It would be nice if everyone involved at least sat down and talked about it.
 

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