Robot killers: not Sci-Fi

DARPA's little "automated delivery vehicles".
S.W.O.R.D.S, aka a "minesweeping" robot modified with a machine gun.
UAV's. "Reaper", and the X-45...

Yes, the remote control weapon's platform is here, reality, and killing people NOW. Given the USA's sensitivity to losses, it was logical that we'd develop ways of getting weapons into tight areas without risking personnel. Given what we pay to train even an infantryman now adays, it even makes economic sense to risk a $100,000 robot vs a grunt. Plus, robots are cheaper to repair.

However, I've been reading up on a new proposal for an "escort" version of a UAV. Basically, a constellation of UAV's accompany a manned strike aircraft, protecting it and acting as extra weapons platforms. The really interesting part is that some of the UAV's would be be "leaders", going into a target area in advance of the manned strike, with their own, ON BOARD targeting criteria (usually AAA, SAM's or their associated radars). Since the manned aircraft is behind, and may or may not be able to act as a communications relay, and because satellite is jammable in some cases, the computers on the un-manned aircraft would have a list of things to look for to drop a bomb on. Again, at this level it's all logical. "Look for something that looks like a missile launcher, radar station, anti-aircraft gun, OR is radiating at these frequencies, and drop a bomb on it".

How long, however, before we have a situation where we change the parameters?
How long before a mission is either too dangerous or too low-priority to bother with a manned or remote presence at all?
"This valley's full of bad guys, anything in X area, destroy it".

If you bomb a school, there's no malice. It's just a programming error...no one is responsible.

It supposedly takes a lot of time to train someone to kill someone they don't really know. Now you don't even need to bother with that.

Chilling.
-SB
 

SaintLucifer

beer, I want beer
DARPA's little "automated delivery vehicles".
S.W.O.R.D.S, aka a "minesweeping" robot modified with a machine gun.
UAV's. "Reaper", and the X-45...

Yes, the remote control weapon's platform is here, reality, and killing people NOW. Given the USA's sensitivity to losses, it was logical that we'd develop ways of getting weapons into tight areas without risking personnel. Given what we pay to train even an infantryman now adays, it even makes economic sense to risk a $100,000 robot vs a grunt. Plus, robots are cheaper to repair.

However, I've been reading up on a new proposal for an "escort" version of a UAV. Basically, a constellation of UAV's accompany a manned strike aircraft, protecting it and acting as extra weapons platforms. The really interesting part is that some of the UAV's would be be "leaders", going into a target area in advance of the manned strike, with their own, ON BOARD targeting criteria (usually AAA, SAM's or their associated radars). Since the manned aircraft is behind, and may or may not be able to act as a communications relay, and because satellite is jammable in some cases, the computers on the un-manned aircraft would have a list of things to look for to drop a bomb on. Again, at this level it's all logical. "Look for something that looks like a missile launcher, radar station, anti-aircraft gun, OR is radiating at these frequencies, and drop a bomb on it".

How long, however, before we have a situation where we change the parameters?
How long before a mission is either too dangerous or too low-priority to bother with a manned or remote presence at all?
"This valley's full of bad guys, anything in X area, destroy it".

If you bomb a school, there's no malice. It's just a programming error...no one is responsible.

It supposedly takes a lot of time to train someone to kill someone they don't really know. Now you don't even need to bother with that.

Chilling.
-SB

Well, good enough to use against the 'insurgents' of Iraq, or the Taliban, but what good are they against the Russians, you moron?

When will the Americans fight a REAL foe? The USA has been pussywhipped for so long, they are even getting their asses kicked by mere ragheads armed with nothing more than AK-47s, now you want THAT up there against them? The ragheads are laughing. How much for an AK-47 these days?

Why is it the Americans pick on foes who have no air forces? Cowardice perhaps? I thought so too.
 
I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
-SB
 

Bickendan

Shifty sumbitch
Well, good enough to use against the 'insurgents' of Iraq, or the Taliban, but what good are they against the Russians, you moron?

When will the Americans fight a REAL foe? The USA has been pussywhipped for so long, they are even getting their asses kicked by mere ragheads armed with nothing more than AK-47s, now you want THAT up there against them? The ragheads are laughing. How much for an AK-47 these days?

Why is it the Americans pick on foes who have no air forces? Cowardice perhaps? I thought so too.
Shut up, Lilac.
 
Maybe we should declare war on Buffalo NY? Using UAV's and robot tanks, of course.

-SB
 

Bickendan

Shifty sumbitch
If planes crashland into every building in Buffalo, they're bound to hit Luci at some point if he's there...
 

The Question

Eternal
Mm, that one would be pretty worrying, true... but then all you have to do to get away from it is go up or down a flight of stairs. :D
 

Ancalagon

I'm not wearing any panties!!
It supposedly takes a lot of time to train someone to kill someone they don't really know. Now you don't even need to bother with that.

Chilling.
-SB

No it doesn't. OSUT for an 11B/11C (Infantry Rifleman/Infantry Mortarman) is 14 weeks.
 

Sarek

Vuhlkansu Wihs
And of course they've had at least 10 years of pre-military training in desensitization and indiscriminate killing thanks to Play Station and X-Box..........
 

Ancalagon

I'm not wearing any panties!!
And of course they've had at least 10 years of pre-military training in desensitization and indiscriminate killing thanks to Play Station and X-Box..........

I have never owned any Sony or M$ console. :bailey:




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Bickendan

Shifty sumbitch
Why does she have two controllers for Zelda? She's overdressed for that game, IMO!
 

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
RISE OF THE MACHINES!
 

The Question

Eternal
Unless you feed it lots and lots of fast food. The GH in that shit seems to be accelerating human growth sufficiently that you could conceivably strap a rifle to a little human-larva at around age 12 nowdays. And considering the way most of them behave, either they'd survive combat and mature a shitload faster, or they wouldn't and no one would much fucking miss 'em.
 
"Infantry"

-SB
 

Ancalagon

I'm not wearing any panties!!
So, you're saying the minimum age for selective service should be 12?

Speaking of Selective Service, one of the new privates had to miss some training b/c he had to resolve an issue back home.

There was a warrant out for him.







For not registering for the Selective Service. :bergman:
 
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