SaintLudicrous said:
Battle of Britain. The very turning point of the war that forced Hitler to invade the Soviet Union which proved to be his undoing.
Um, no. The turning point of the war was fought on the Eastern front, and occurred with the defeat of the German 6th Army at Stalingrad, a defeat resoundingly reinforced at the Kursk Salient.
We FORCED him to do something neither he nor his generals wanted to to.
Wrong again -- Polish Soviet partisans forced Hitler and his generals to do something they didn't want to do by staging terrorist attacks against Germany. Hitler then stupidly obliged them by staging one such raid with his own troops in a fashion designed to identify (for the German people) exactly who the foe was. Britain then vowed to protect the Polish Soviets as an excuse to declare war against Germany, an act which Germany naturally reciprocated. What is NOT widely known is that Hitler made
multiple attempts to negotiate for peace with Britain, from a position of strength, no less, offering them a return to normalized relations with no terms, just a "back to the way things were" arrangement, offers which Britain repeatedly ignored. Then, under Roosevelt's (nee Rosenfeld's -- interesting, that) administration, the U.S. permitted the attack on Pearl Harbor, an attack which they had ample forewarning of, in order to justify a declaration of war against the Japanese. Since Germany was Japan's ally, it was required to issue yet another reciprocal declaration of war, which then allowed the U.S. to enter the ETO. In the meantime, Stalin broke the terms of the treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany. So inasmuch as Hitler was maneuvered into a war neither he nor anyone else in his government wanted, you're right -- but the British only lent an assist, they didn't engineer it all by themselves.
Had we lost, the U.S.A. would never have done anything in the war but sick back and watch as Hitler conquered nation by nation across Europe.
Had the information regarding the impending attack on Pearl been acted upon properly, we wouldn't have bothered anyway. The American public was steadfastly against involvement in both World Wars 1
and 2, and in WW2 it took that "surprise" attack from Japan to muster enough public support to make involvement feasible.
No Britain = no base from which to launch an invasion against Germany. Let us never forget who it was that destroyed both Hitler's Navy and his Air Force.
And let us not forget, either, that it was the massive losses of material and manpower to the Russian front, as well as
combined Allied bombing runs that destroyed 85% of Germany's transportation infrastructure, that made those things possible.
If you said the British you would be correct.
No, if I said "The British" I would be a narrowminded, ignorant tool, just like you.[/quote]
Fag.
