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For fucks sake you fucking mods and your damn semantics!
"Why are mods or observers or a former owner or a combination of the three calling for banning members at all? Is that what their job is? It makes you wonder about the times that their advice is followed."
Fucking better?
As long as a member has A51 access they have input into the running of the board.
Only a few days ago there were many complaints about the Observers apparently not doing their job properly, that being to give input into discussions in the Shelter as they happened to get wider input. Now you are saying that they should be kicked out for making statements in the Shelter that weren't followed?
It's not so much relevant now the system is being overhauled, but I don't see how you can consider a setup where more people had input into decisions as being a bad thing given how much people love to complain about the impossible to define and likely non existant "eliteforge"
Well just between you and me...Elwood picked the wrong group of observers if the ones he picked thought that kinda of "access" allowed them to recommend who to ban.