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Universal Healthcare

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Bazinga!
I think Canada has the right idea where health care is concerned. Free for all citizens.

Unless you happen to work for an employer that provides health insurance, or you are one of the very few who can afford insurance out of pocket, you're screwed.

Single women with children can apply for Medicaid. But what if you are a single woman, without children and between jobs? Then, my friends, you are royally fucked.

If one of the candidates offered a universal health care plan that I knew would make it past Congress, they'd get my vote in a New York minute.
 
I can think of 2 people I know personally that had cancer and sent home to die by local hospitals.

I'd have to agree with you about our nieghbors to the north ;)
 
You're both on crack.

If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times, competition breeds excellence. If you've got doctors making the same wage no matter what, you've got Canadian healthcare where your health and well-being is not a huge priority. Uuuuuummmm, no thanks! I'm not that desperate for free healthcare. Makes as much sense as having a baby for free healthcare.

I got stuck with a $40,000.00 hospital bill because I was between healthcare providers then making it impossible for me to get healthcare for over a year but I still wouldn't have it any other way! I was fortunate in that my surgery was life or death and the county I live in paid the bill but to that end you act like doctors don't have a conscience unless they're being paid by an insurance company. Maybe you just need to move. We have a state of the art county hospital and if you can't pay they have programs, they don't send you home to suffer and die, that's ridiculous.
 
L_G, there's a marked difference in how a non-insured patient is treated, and the care they get, as opposed to an insured patient.

When I lived in SoCal, I was having trouble with my gall bladder. I went to the local ER one night, because I was having a bad attack. Not being insured, when it looked like I would have to be admitted, those fuckers actually transported me by ambulance 25 MINUTES away, to Sylmar, to the county hospital. When it turned out I wasn't going to be admitted after all, my friend had to drive a half an hour each way to pick me up. When there was a hospital 5 minutes from my house.

Never mind the cattle calls in the clinic for my appointments and pre-surgical visits. The demeanor of the workers there was one of disdain.

A few years ago, when I had my pancreatitis, things were a little more humane (different state). But when it came time to transfer me to another hospital for a procedure I needed, the other hospital refused to do a hospital to hospital transfer. Why? No insurance.

And after I was released, I couldn't follow up properly, because I couldn't pay for the doctor's office visits.

It wasn't until my latest job that I could adequately follow up. I'm just grateful things didn't deteriorate before then.

You claim doctors are not motivated by insurance. Try walking into a doctor's office and say you really need an appointment, but you don't have any money to pay. What do you think your chances are of receiving that appointment?
 
If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times, competition breeds excellence.
A competitive environment where you get ass raped by medical expenses whether you can afford it or not.

If you've got doctors making the same wage no matter what, you've got Canadian healthcare where your health and well-being is not a huge priority. Uuuuuummmm, no thanks! I'm not that desperate for free healthcare. Makes as much sense as having a baby for free healthcare.
Wait doctors aren't doctors because they want to help people? Is it the golf then? Or are you just being retarded again?

I got stuck with a $40,000.00 hospital bill because I was between healthcare providers then making it impossible for me to get healthcare for over a year but I still wouldn't have it any other way! I was fortunate in that my surgery was life or death and the county I live in paid the bill but to that end you act like doctors don't have a conscience unless they're being paid by an insurance company. Maybe you just need to move. We have a state of the art county hospital and if you can't pay they have programs, they don't send you home to suffer and die, that's ridiculous.
Wait so Universal health care = bad but state paying for your medical expenses = good?
 
A competitive environment where you get ass raped by medical expenses whether you can afford it or not.

I know this is going to burn like your weiner after sex with your dog but how about the crazy idea of taking some personal responsibility? You know, get an education, get a job and pay for healthcare yourself! Wild idea I know but how about not picking my pocket and stand on your own two feet? :shock:

Wait doctors aren't doctors because they want to help people? Is it the golf then? Or are you just being retarded again?

You knowingly and willingly live in Canada and you think I'm retarded? Meet a mirror Corky.

Wait so Universal health care = bad but state paying for your medical expenses = good?

I didn't say that the state paying for your healthcare expenses is "good". Now pay attention, I said that it's ridiculous to say that someone was poo-pooed and "sent home to die" because they did not have an HMO or PPO, etc. As I stated, I was in between healthcare providers (uninsured) and was treated as well or better than every other patient in that private hospital. There are programs for the uninsured with serious illnesses, I'm not saying a doctor is going to come to your house or you'll be living in the finest rest home but they cover your care and treatment. Believe me when I tell you, blood sucking HMOs are more likely to laugh evily and watch you suffer and die than a state or county run hospital.

All of that aside, seriously, if you incur $10,000,000.00 in medical debt declare bankruptcy, not a big deal, believe me. The medical establishment will get a big fat write off and you'll make it out alive.

Use your brain.
 
L_G, with all due respect....

Get a job and pay for your own damn insurance? Didn't you have a job when you had to rely on the county yourself due to some error in paperwork or something?

It could be possible that someone, somewhere, said the same thing about you while you were in that little window of being uninsured.

As for me, I was between jobs. No, that's not entirely true. During the incident in SoCal, I HAD a job that didn't offer insurance. It was actually my situation that made them change that policy. The pancreatitis happened when I moved to a different state, and hadn't found full time work yet. So being uninsured does not automatically equate with being a deadbeat.

*Everyone* should be entitled to healthcare, not just those fortunate enough to have access to it thru work.

If you leave a job, you are entitled to COBRA, but do you know how much that is? My sister is using it right now. (No, she's not a deadbeat, either. She's getting her Master's in Administration, so had to take a professional leave from work, thus she lost her insurance). She pays $400 a month, just for herself. She had to dip into her retirement to pay for it. That is a damn shame.
 
No insurance is free. It comes out of the pockets of the tax-payers to provide for those that cannot. Also, with free health insurance, the government can easily limit how much you get if for instance you smoke or are fat. Even with "free" health care, if youre a smoking tax-payer, youll get shitty insurance, while some free-loading immigrant gets better care then the tax-payer would.

And Canada can kiss my ass.
Canada and Britian's free health care is looking worse and worse as time passes.
 
*Everyone* should be entitled to healthcare, not just those fortunate enough to have access to it thru work.
Wrong. Noone owes anybody anything. My money shouldnt be reallocated to other ppl. This isnt Mother Russia.

I had no insurance until less than a year ago. I dealt with it. I didnt cry to other ppl to wipe my ass for me.
 
I know this is going to burn like your weiner after sex with your dog but how about the crazy idea of taking some personal responsibility? You know, get an education, get a job and pay for healthcare yourself! Wild idea I know but how about not picking my pocket and stand on your own two feet? :shock:
Because I happen to live in a country that treats health care as a right to all citizens regardless of economic status.

Amusingly the US government spends more on health care per person than all universal health care countries do. Here's a pretty graph to illustrate the point.

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This would seem to suggest that the private system is grossly wasteful and ineffective. What does it say when countries with the evil socialist system enjoy higher life expectancies than the US for less money?


You knowingly and willingly live in Canada and you think I'm retarded? Meet a mirror Corky.
I'm in a country with a higher standard of living, higher life expectancy, and more personal freedoms than yours.

America land of the free is more a slogan than actual truth.

I didn't say that the state paying for your healthcare expenses is "good". Now pay attention, I said that it's ridiculous to say that someone was poo-pooed and "sent home to die" because they did not have an HMO or PPO, etc. As I stated, I was in between healthcare providers (uninsured) and was treated as well or better than every other patient in that private hospital. There are programs for the uninsured with serious illnesses, I'm not saying a doctor is going to come to your house or you'll be living in the finest rest home but they cover your care and treatment. Believe me when I tell you, blood sucking HMOs are more likely to laugh evily and watch you suffer and die than a state or county run hospital.
And if your condition wasn't life threatening they would have sent you home.

You mentioned the county you live in paid for your expenses in this case. What level of coverage do other counties provide? Keep in mind you are living in evil liberal California where such bad socialist things are likely to be found.

All of that aside, seriously, if you incur $10,000,000.00 in medical debt declare bankruptcy, not a big deal, believe me. The medical establishment will get a big fat write off and you'll make it out alive.
And with universal health care that would never happen so your point is moot.

What happened to to that whole personal responsibility thing?

No insurance is free. It comes out of the pockets of the tax-payers to provide for those that cannot. Also, with free health insurance, the government can easily limit how much you get if for instance you smoke or are fat. Even with "free" health care, if youre a smoking tax-payer, youll get shitty insurance, while some free-loading immigrant gets better care then the tax-payer would.
LOLbertarian. :lol:

As I pointed out to Laker_Girl the US spends more on health care per person than countries with universal health care. Switching to the more effective universal system would suggest a reduction in overall costs.

I don't think I need to bother addressing the silly assumption that the US government would employ a LOL go be fat somewhere else policy.

And Canada can kiss my ass.
Canada and Britian's free health care is looking worse and worse as time passes.
How so? Our higher life expectancies would seem to suggest otherwise.

Wrong. Noone owes anybody anything. My money shouldnt be reallocated to other ppl. This isnt Mother Russia.
You already pay taxes that go to other people stupid. Plus everything you own is a result of the society you live in. You'd have fuck all if it wasn't for others.

I had no insurance until less than a year ago. I dealt with it. I didnt cry to other ppl to wipe my ass for me.
So you didn't have any serious medical issues. That burden must have been real hard to deal with.
 
I've always heard that people who live in countries with universal health care have to wait a really long time to see a Dr for non-life threatening illnesses. Is that true? I know that if I get an earache or toothache I can get into a Dr's office in a day or two and sometimes the same day here.
 
I've always heard that people who live in countries with universal health care have to wait a really long time to see a Dr for non-life threatening illnesses. Is that true? I know that if I get an earache or toothache I can get into a Dr's office in a day or two and sometimes the same day here.
It's always greatly over exaggerated by Americans who support private health care that there's absurdly long wait times for patients in countries with universal health care.

This PDF document shows that yes there are longer wait times however it also states lower mortality rates, greater chances of receiving a transplant, and longer hospital stays for Canadians.
 
Oh.. that's good to know. There is a lot of misinformation that gets repeated over and over until everyone assumes it's true.
 
You already pay taxes that go to other people stupid. Plus everything you own is a result of the society you live in. You'd have fuck all if it wasn't for others.
No shit. The government already spends too much of my money. They need to find ways to reduce that, not increase it. They have already fucked up public education, mass transit, and social security. No need to add another on the list.


So you didn't have any serious medical issues. That burden must have been real hard to deal with.
I didnt?
 
No shit. The government already spends too much of my money. They need to find ways to reduce that, not increase it. They have already fucked up public education, mass transit, and social security. No need to add another on the list.
Obviously the only solution for you is to refuse to pay taxes until things improve and see where that gets you.
You never said that you did. You only mentioned you didn't cry about not having insurance.
 
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