Ongoing Battlestar Galactica thread of doom.

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
Second half isn't nearly as strong as the first half. It has moments. Apollo and Roslin's decision to abandon the non-FTL ships (although the Valley Forge/botany ship shows up for the series, but I digress), the big "SO SAY WE ALL!" speech...

Which does bring me to an important point: How much of a showman a leader has to be. And sometimes the leader has to act like he knows what he's doing even though he's just as much in the dark as everyone else. It's a difficult concept--that people would trust you more if you lied to them than if you told them the truth--but I believe it is valid. The trick is to only use it for good.
 

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
Realizing I'm about to the point with Galactica that I am with Stargate: SG-1.

I mean, the 2 shows don't compare. Production-wise, SG-1 feels very much like a cable TV show. While BSG milks its budget almost to film levels. Still, I'm in the same place. I want the amazing payoff episodes. The Anubis arc. Starbuck, finding her body on Earth. But I don't want to wade through the clunky Season 1 eps where we come to trust Tea'lc. Or distrust Boomer.

Ah well, it is what it is.
 

Starship Coyote

Original Gangster!
I got a wild hair up my ass a few days ago, mainly due to this thread, and broke my wife's DVDs out to watch the show. When it first came on, I watched... maybe, to the escape from New Caprica, and then fell out with it.

Now, on re-viewing, I think it holds up pretty well and certainly took character conflict to a new level for that time, IMO. I'm not through with season one yet, but we'll see how it goes.
 

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
A couple quick thoughts: Nope. Can't remember the other one right now. But they don't treat you stupid. They don't lay it all down for you. Specifically the scene with Angel Starbuck and her Angel Piano Man Dad. Everyone that writes about it points out that Piano Man is her Dad. But they never really nail that down the way a mainstream series would. I mean, you see the flashback scenes of Kid Starbuck, interacting with Dad exactly the way Adult Starbuck does with Pianoman. And you see Katee Sackhoff's expressions to convey the realization that Angel Piano Man is her Angel Dad. But you don't get the scene of Kid Starbuck looking up and the reverse shot, showing Piano Man is--no shit--Starbuck's deadbeat dad.

Whoops! Remembered the other thing. When Enterprise was coming out, I shouted from the rooftops that they had to make the battle sequences more "real." You know; how in TOS, when the ship got shot up, Uhura fed in comm chatter from damage reports. I felt a prequel series needed that kind of feel that the stakes were higher than "shields [hull plating] is down to 54%." Of course People told me you couldn't do that because...Reasons.

But every time someone picks up a surplus TA-1 and barks into it "ACTION STATIONS. SET CONDITION 1 THROUGHOUT THE SHIP..." It confirms the BS that you can't create a feeling of excitement and suspense beyond the Star Trek TNG and beyond formula of "put them onscreen; shields down to 45%; fire photon torpedos, pattern Epsilon Picard Buttfuck Mark III. Engage."
 

Colonel Kira's Left Tit

Bearded Belly of Bajor
What gets me is the thing is 17 years old now and the effects still hold up today. The only parts that make me cringe a little effects wise are the early Centurion scenes, but nobody had really figured out to do those sort of humanoidal animation effects yet. It gets better as the show progresses.
 

Colonel Kira's Left Tit

Bearded Belly of Bajor
A couple quick thoughts: Nope. Can't remember the other one right now. But they don't treat you stupid. They don't lay it all down for you. Specifically the scene with Angel Starbuck and her Angel Piano Man Dad. Everyone that writes about it points out that Piano Man is her Dad. But they never really nail that down the way a mainstream series would. I mean, you see the flashback scenes of Kid Starbuck, interacting with Dad exactly the way Adult Starbuck does with Pianoman. And you see Katee Sackhoff's expressions to convey the realization that Angel Piano Man is her Angel Dad. But you don't get the scene of Kid Starbuck looking up and the reverse shot, showing Piano Man is--no shit--Starbuck's deadbeat dad.

Whoops! Remembered the other thing. When Enterprise was coming out, I shouted from the rooftops that they had to make the battle sequences more "real." You know; how in TOS, when the ship got shot up, Uhura fed in comm chatter from damage reports. I felt a prequel series needed that kind of feel that the stakes were higher than "shields [hull plating] is down to 54%." Of course People told me you couldn't do that because...Reasons.

But every time someone picks up a surplus TA-1 and barks into it "ACTION STATIONS. SET CONDITION 1 THROUGHOUT THE SHIP..." It confirms the BS that you can't create a feeling of excitement and suspense beyond the Star Trek TNG and beyond formula of "put them onscreen; shields down to 45%; fire photon torpedos, pattern Epsilon Picard Buttfuck Mark III. Engage."
Also, great point. They don't go overboard with the exposition here, yet it's all there, silently waiting for interpretation. Not only the scene you mentioned, but a whole lot of it is just that way.
 

Colonel Kira's Left Tit

Bearded Belly of Bajor
I got a wild hair up my ass a few days ago, mainly due to this thread, and broke my wife's DVDs out to watch the show. When it first came on, I watched... maybe, to the escape from New Caprica, and then fell out with it.

Now, on re-viewing, I think it holds up pretty well and certainly took character conflict to a new level for that time, IMO. I'm not through with season one yet, but we'll see how it goes.
Stick with it if you can, many say that it goes off the rails after s2. but for my money s3 and s4 remain amongst the best TV I've ever seen, hands down. Enjoy the ride.
 

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
Another one: They do an amazing job of building up tensions and then giving a very rewarding payoff. It totally pushes my buttons but I don't care.

Watching the "Enemy Mine" one, where Starbuck gets shot down and has to rescue herself by capturing a Cylon Raider.

I'll just get the problems out of the way first: Pretty much everything about flying a Cylon Raider. I mean, patching the hole almost kinda makes sense. If space is a vacuum, jamming a nonpermeable flightsuit into the hole would make a decent patch. But I'd hate to bet my life on that. I mean, she starts off in atmosphere. There's nothing to keep that suit plugging the hole until she gets into space. Unless that oxygen tube is pumping out serious pressure.

Then we get back to where she first gets to the ship. There's probably an important purpose to all the meat she so casually hacks open. Then she just pulls out the brain, because she'll be controlling everything. But along with walking around and such, my brain also keeps my lungs working and my heart pumping. If a mouse just cut it out and thought it could operate my body, he'd be in for a bit of a surprise.

All that said, we get it. Build the stakes up high. Make it clear the Adamas are crazy and irrational over Starbuck. This episode is also big on making Tigh more than a weak drunk and Roslin more than a schoolteacher.

So we get a really low point. The Adamas have been pushing things to an absurd crazy level over Starbuck--using up all the vipers and fuel, pulling in the CAP, spreading out the fleet, guessing that she might have extra oxygen--and finally Roslin bitch-slaps them back to reality. We're going to write her off. BUT! A Cylon raider shows up. AND! It will fuck up Galactica's jump. AND!!! The catapults breakdown so only Maveri--um, Apollo--can launch. Then Starbuck, wobbling along on a lobotomized but amazingly still working Raider, completely outmaneuvers Apollo--"We'll hit the brakes and he'll fly right by".

And then the payoff. They don't show us Starbuck monkeying about with duct tape under the ship, but kudos for her breaking it out to tape up her knee as foreshadowing. And then everyone goes nuts. Because Starbuck's dead. And they fucked around too long and were wrong and now the Cylons are coming BUT! It's all good because it's actually Starbuck. And everyone in the CIC goes nuts and hugs and kisses each other and we get a huge payoff after building up tension and disappointment.
 

Volpone

Zombie Hunter
Boomer is such a manipulative cunt. Got done with the tribunal episode. The actor who plays Socinus does a great job of capturing the junior enlisted mindset. Chief is starting to get tubby by now.

On an unrelated note, you gotta include God in all equations. Coyote Boy, plug your ears. Because Angel Starbuck is able to jump Galactica to our Earth. But she can only do this because Cavil unwittingly moved the Colony to within a jump of our Earth. If he hadn't, the mission would have failed. Although then we have to ask if the perfect black hole just *happened* to be within a jump of our Earth or if it was there for a reason.
 

Colonel Kira's Left Tit

Bearded Belly of Bajor
Another one: They do an amazing job of building up tensions and then giving a very rewarding payoff. It totally pushes my buttons but I don't care.

Watching the "Enemy Mine" one, where Starbuck gets shot down and has to rescue herself by capturing a Cylon Raider.

I'll just get the problems out of the way first: Pretty much everything about flying a Cylon Raider. I mean, patching the hole almost kinda makes sense. If space is a vacuum, jamming a nonpermeable flightsuit into the hole would make a decent patch. But I'd hate to bet my life on that. I mean, she starts off in atmosphere. There's nothing to keep that suit plugging the hole until she gets into space. Unless that oxygen tube is pumping out serious pressure.

Then we get back to where she first gets to the ship. There's probably an important purpose to all the meat she so casually hacks open. Then she just pulls out the brain, because she'll be controlling everything. But along with walking around and such, my brain also keeps my lungs working and my heart pumping. If a mouse just cut it out and thought it could operate my body, he'd be in for a bit of a surprise.

All that said, we get it. Build the stakes up high. Make it clear the Adamas are crazy and irrational over Starbuck. This episode is also big on making Tigh more than a weak drunk and Roslin more than a schoolteacher.

So we get a really low point. The Adamas have been pushing things to an absurd crazy level over Starbuck--using up all the vipers and fuel, pulling in the CAP, spreading out the fleet, guessing that she might have extra oxygen--and finally Roslin bitch-slaps them back to reality. We're going to write her off. BUT! A Cylon raider shows up. AND! It will fuck up Galactica's jump. AND!!! The catapults breakdown so only Maveri--um, Apollo--can launch. Then Starbuck, wobbling along on a lobotomized but amazingly still working Raider, completely outmaneuvers Apollo--"We'll hit the brakes and he'll fly right by".

And then the payoff. They don't show us Starbuck monkeying about with duct tape under the ship, but kudos for her breaking it out to tape up her knee as foreshadowing. And then everyone goes nuts. Because Starbuck's dead. And they fucked around too long and were wrong and now the Cylons are coming BUT! It's all good because it's actually Starbuck. And everyone in the CIC goes nuts and hugs and kisses each other and we get a huge payoff after building up tension and disappointment.

It's somewhat worthy to note that the wing waggling came from the final ep of old BSG 1978, when Starbuck and Apollo are coming back from a base star destruction mission. Nice touch, there.
 
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