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Ogami said:
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Are there really aliens?
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YES!! Marshal Law AV! !!
Ogami
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A Karas wrote:
Hi Ogami. Nice avatar.
Thanks! Is that the Colt 1911?
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Blindgroping wrote:
YES!! Marshal Law AV! !!
I have all the issues of the comic except for Marshall vs. The Mask #2. After I saw the avatar Messenger had, I tried to come up with something unique. (It's a scan from one of my comics.)
Hi Ogami. Nice avatar.
Thanks! Is that the Colt 1911?
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Blindgroping wrote:
YES!! Marshal Law AV! !!
I have all the issues of the comic except for Marshall vs. The Mask #2. After I saw the avatar Messenger had, I tried to come up with something unique. (It's a scan from one of my comics.)
The Question
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It's hard to tell from this angle, but it kinda resembles an H&K USP45 in Marine getup.
But they two are totally different things. The speed of light is a variable consistent with all sub-atomic and physical reactions in the universe. The speed of sound is simply moving faster than sound propogates through our atmosphere.A Karas said:The very same thing was said about breaking the speed of sound.It was done, and still is.
They must be fringe.
That's still not exceeding the speed of light; it's simply covering more distance than travelling at the speed of light would allow.
You know how something travelling faster can impact as though it had more mass? For instance, a penny being thrown at a passerby could tickle him, but a penny thrown faster than the speed of sound could kill him.
There are other reasons why faster-than-light travel is impossible.
For one, the intertial mass of an object increases with it's speed. And because you need to apply more energy to something 'heavier,' you would need to find more power to fuel increasing the speed of something moving at 90% the speed of light.
And after that, you would need to find enough power to move something to 91% of the speed of light.
Read about Xeno's paradox, if you don't know it (You probably do).
In short, in order to propel something and have it move at the speed of light, infinite energy would be required. It's not a matter of finding this energy; it's simply a physical impossibility.
Due to the Doppler effect (Demonstrated by the way you can tell that an ambulance is moving towards you or away from you), objects in the universe moving away from the observer (Us on the earth) tend to redshift. The wavelength of the light they emit increases while the frequency decreases.
Objects moving towards us have the opposite effect.
An object moving towards us at the speed of light would emit light of infinite frequency - the blueshift would be infinite due to the amount of power needed to accelerate it, and the power would destroy everything that it reached.
The Question
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Exactly. You can't travel faster than the speed of light locally -- all you can do is find a way to cheat so that you appear to travel faster than light globally. The best way to do that is to find a way to force a pocket of your immediate local space to travel at nearly the speed of light with you traveling nearly the speed of light inside it.
Starship Coyote
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Or find a way to effectively reduce your mass to zero no matter how fast you're travelling.
You've made a good point there about objects with zero mass not experiencing the same 'drag' as non-zero mass objects would.
Except, this is also an impossibility. Matter of any kind cannot move at the speed of light, because it has mass. Only phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetism, and light itself can.
The only possibility of travel at light speed would be the conversion of matter, in the form of information, into unique energy waves which DO travel at the speed of light. Either way, it would take a while for them to reach the futuristic human galaxies of the Earth.
We simply have to deal with the possibility that we cannot escape our solar system in any meaningful way.
Except, this is also an impossibility. Matter of any kind cannot move at the speed of light, because it has mass. Only phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetism, and light itself can.
The only possibility of travel at light speed would be the conversion of matter, in the form of information, into unique energy waves which DO travel at the speed of light. Either way, it would take a while for them to reach the futuristic human galaxies of the Earth.
We simply have to deal with the possibility that we cannot escape our solar system in any meaningful way.
Starship Coyote
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Messenger said:
A possibility might be found through distorting the gravity well of an object due to its mass. But "flattening" the well (and I'm analogizing here), it might be possible to give an object the property of "masslessness" without losing other physical properties that make it matter.
Maybe. I dunno. I don't even know how such a thing would be done. I just used to watch a lot of Star Trek and Godzilla and stuff like that as a kid.
I don't know what the fuss about the speed of light is, anyway.
Imagine all existence as being founded on a grid.
We cannot move faster than the properties of our atoms allow us to. Those are bound to the grid.
But imagine there exists a wormhole which can stretch the units of the grid to allow us to travel light years in seconds. This is the basics of whatever faster than light theories people postulate.
The light speed barrier cannot be physically broken without destroying all obeservable laws of physics.
It has to do with observable physics, CU. The speed of light is teh owned. It is the maximum speed at which through interactions between everything in existence propogates at. Everything in existence.CoyoteUgly said:
If you have a problem, you'll have to take to take it up with God.
Starship Coyote
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No, what I meant was: all meaningful travel seems to be thought of in terms of: I need to go faster and faster...just like on earth. Winds up being futile in light of the great distances in space.
As discussed, more meaningful and more practical forms of travel would probably involve warping or tunneling through space...or perhaps some means we haven't imagined yet.
As discussed, more meaningful and more practical forms of travel would probably involve warping or tunneling through space...or perhaps some means we haven't imagined yet.
Captain Jack
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Ogami said:
No, it is a Springfield XD-40 Compact (Service model) in .40 S&W with a tactical rail in front. I do like the 1911's though.
Captain Jack
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Well, we as mere humans are a long way of coming anywhere near the speed of light anyway. Particles streaking across space would do a lot of damage to any craft if it didn't have some sort of shielding. I've read theories of creating a "bubble" around a ship that is normal space, and that bubble would allow a craft to move faster than the speed of light. But then, they are, as you said, fringe. But I am sure there are ways to cheat.
But I am sure there are ways to cheat.Tell us more about the fringe.A Karas said:Well, we as mere humans are a long way of coming anywhere near the speed of light anyway. Particles streaking across space would do a lot of damage to any craft if it didn't have some sort of shielding. I've read theories of creating a "bubble" around a ship that is normal space, and that bubble would allow a craft to move faster than the speed of light. But then, they are, as you said, fringe.
Captain Jack
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^It's way out there. 
But seriously, we still don't know enough to make conclusions about the limits of space travel. And if there are advanced aliens out there, maybe they know what we don't, and have figured out how to travel great distances without much difficulty.
But seriously, we still don't know enough to make conclusions about the limits of space travel. And if there are advanced aliens out there, maybe they know what we don't, and have figured out how to travel great distances without much difficulty.
A Karas said:^It's way out there.
But seriously, we still don't know enough to make conclusions about the limits of space travel.
I know what you are getting at, Karas. But the reason that physical limitations butt into the issue of space travel is due to the sheer distance required to traverse in order to reach another star.
We know that no spaceship can travel faster than light because it is unnapproachable. That's not to say that interstellar travel is impossible, it just means that we are reaching the apex how much we can adjust reality to suit us.
You might want to glance over this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_travel
Captain Jack
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Chaddee said:
Sounds like a case of American College professors invading the UK.
Messenger, I have to say, it's a real pleasure discussing this with you. Thanks for that.
Messenger said:
Bend spacetime? O no, just another pseudo science nut with no real understanding of time itself. Time is not real. It is mearly a figment of your imagination. It is as real as math! A construct of mankinds imagination. Only a concept we use just like math to gauge the progression of matter and energy in understandable terms.
If you think that there is some giant grandfather clock swining in the heavens tic'ing and toc'ing each second away your lame!
Things can go faster than light! We just have not made them do it yet, we also have theoretical particals that are theorized to go faster than light. We also dont know how fast gravity actually travels either!
So if Gravity is unknown for its speed... how do we all of a sudden KNOW for a fact as you stated that light speed cannot be broken? They thought just like you did back in the old days before the sound barrier was broken...
OH NO OH NO!!! we are going to collapse the universe in on itself!!! OH NO!
Please, dont blurt your juvenile understanding of physics in here!
Yes I think there are other life forms. Lotsa space out there!
is universe infinite? Yes no maybe! We cant know!
That stupid Olbers Paradox means nothing! Space can still be infinite and you still would not see all the stars in the universe! I love how these idiots never think this stuff through! There are planets, nebula, black holes(theory), clouds of various things, and other stuff!!! To think we have seen everything is ludicrous! There very well could be a veil of some kind our telescopes are not powerful enough to see yet, blocking the rest of the universes infinite stars. Thats also includes stars being blocked at greater distances because a roid field, nebula, or some other celestial object is blocking its and many others view! To bad you came to bat with half a brain!
No understanding? Perhaps you'll enlighten us with your views on Time Dilation, and the concept of the Arrow of Time?Astral said:
No fucking shit, sherlock.
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It's theory, nothing more. How you would assume that 'things CaN gO fASTer than lIght!' and exclaim it like a little kid is beyond me.
It travels at the speed of light, you moron.
Just another pseudo science nut with no real understanding of gravity itself.
Oh, that's a very real possibility, except it would be more like the utter destruction and reshaping of everything in existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum
Unfortunately, it requires a better understanding of Quantum Field theory than you'll be able to muster.
LOL!
Messenger said:
Since you dont understand what I said, its reasonable that you would believe a crock of pseudoscience like Dilation. The experiement was nothing more than using gravity in the same fashion as throwing GUNK inside the watch to make is slow down! That flimsy experiement proved nothing except the already know fact that gravity has an effect on matter and can increase an objects inertia! It was no secret that it would have happened. I have seen mear lawn prinklers cause a gravity field strong enough to move a sensitive meausring device. It also means that placing a watch in a different gravity field and its gears would move faster or slower depeding upon increase or decrease in gravity! I bet you if they had the balls to use digital, metal, plastic, and lead gear watches their data would not match up at all and show the crock of shit their experiement was!
your the one that said there were NO EXCEPTIONS! I do believe that there are objects capable of moving faster than light speed. Especially if God proves to exist when the end comes. The shear size of space would dictate that God has a power to manipulate things far beyond the speed of light!Messenger said:
Other than my believe I cannot prove things move faster than light. I can only quote THEORY that contradicts YOUR Theory. I am not the one slapping around the NO EXCEPTIONS clause like I have omniscience.
Prove that it does. Its nice that you... the only person on the planet seems to know this because you, the only person on the planet who can identify and measure the physical arm of gravity. We measure gravity by its effects! We have not seen nor can we measure the power source behind gravity! We only know its there and its got a serious relationship to mass and plasma!Messenger said:
Messenger said:
Dude... your using theories like they are fucking Facts! 1st sign of a pseudoscience shithead! That is where you got your gravity moves at the speed of light bullshit from!
If time is a reality then infinite matter/energy must be able to reside at every single point in the universe! Think of it like this! Every miniscule nano, macro, microscopic change in the universe would be saved in state just like a computer taking a snapshot of your WHOLE hard drive each time a bit changes. Now maybe your puny intellect can begin to understand the fallicy in most of your theories! When you rely on time being a real physical mechanic instead of just a measurement then you will NEVER get it right!
I am beyond your pathetic understanding of physics because you fail to account for the obvious!