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ethnic integration in US cities.

Donovan

Donovan

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Found an interesting link today: mapping our ethnic diversity

The link shows ethnic makeups of forty or so major US cities. Yours is probably in there, mine is and we're not that big. The different races are color coded with each dot representing 25 people. The visual is kind of startling. Sorry international friends, US only...
 
My side is to put information out there without commentary and see what various people extract from it and choose to comment on. It can be very revealing.
 
Daystrom said:
Fuck you Donovan.
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Considering I published only a link with little or no editorial input, everything you project into your response and my intent, you brought into it all on your own. I never said anything about Mexicans or any other race, just that some of the maps were startling when laid out like this. Period. So by immediately asking what's to be done with the Mexicans, or assuming I'm trolling you specifically, or feeling like I'm targetting you as a racist...all that came out of your head, not mine.

Therefore by saying "Fuck You Dono" what you mean to say is "Go fuck yourself, Daystrom."

I don't think my attitudes toward race, tolerance, and the state of our nation are any secret. Like I said, this kind of thread can be very telling...
 
Donovan said:
My side is to put information out there without commentary and see what various people extract from it and choose to comment on. It can be very revealing.
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In other words a single word paints one thousand pictures. IDIOT!
 
But on a less interesting note. I am not a racist actually...responding to racism with a flash and dash of animosity isn't racism, it's...something else.
 
Nobody could be less racist than Day. I've known him for 10 years now, we're close friends IRL and I even met his family and his best friends, so I think I may claim some insider knowledge in this case. Besides myself I have never met any person who cared less about the colour of other peoples' skins than him.


I think these maps are very interesting but the conclusions drawn from them are possibly not 100% correct.
You all overlooked one important point: history.
As race segregation was abolished in the US only little more than 1 generation ago, the maps show mostly the old borders between the ethical groups. The first generation after the abolishion of race segregation would be about our age now (mid-40s) and many of them naturally preferred to stay close to their families. They may have inherited their parents' houses, or simply wanted to stay in the vicinity to be at hand in an emergency.
Their children are now in their teens. They may perhaps chose to move to different areas, once they finished school, job training or university.
It will take generations till the groups will have mixed completely, geographically.
It doesn't neccessarily mean, however, that there are similar borders in peoples' minds (unless they are extremely narrow-minded, that is).
 
'Gear said:
Whew. Finally a way to stay away from most of those fucking white people.

Thanks Donovan-
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Fuck that, I'm glad I'm on the side still catching all the breaks. I'm just pissed some white guys threw a conspiracy and nobody invited me...
 
The Call Of Nature said:
Nobody could be less racist than Day. I've known him for 10 years now, we're close friends IRL and I even met his family and his best friends, so I think I may claim some insider knowledge in this case. Besides myself I have never met any person who cared less about the colour of other peoples' skins than him.


I think these maps are very interesting but the conclusions drawn from them are possibly not 100% correct.
You all overlooked one important point: history.
As race segregation was abolished in the US only little more than 1 generation ago, the maps show mostly the old borders between the ethical groups. The first generation after the abolishion of race segregation would be about our age now (mid-40s) and many of them naturally preferred to stay close to their families. They may have inherited their parents' houses, or simply wanted to stay in the vicinity to be at hand in an emergency.
Their children are now in their teens. They may perhaps chose to move to different areas, once they finished school, job training or university.
It will take generations till the groups will have mixed completely, geographically.
It doesn't neccessarily mean, however, that there are similar borders in peoples' minds (unless they are extremely narrow-minded, that is).
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I didn't actually draw any conclusions, nor did I call anybody a racist. I simply found the visual effect of looking at our still very-segregated society a startling visual, is all. You're right about familiarity of course; sociological precedent says that most people spend their entire lives within a few miles of where they grew up even with other options available to them. The draw of "home" is powerful.

If I were to make any observation, it would be to wonder how the poverty lines measure up to the lines of racial demarcation. Just a thought. Currently, my city like many others has experienced a massive exodus from city centers, causing urban blight and decay as the cities die. The only people left at the heart of the cities are those who can't afford to leave, i.e. the poor, often minority, classes. This perpetuates the cycle of poverty as there are no jobs left to improve their fortunes, therefore no money to live, or leave, therefore businesses starve and close, therefore even less jobs...it's a steady downward spiral. Fascinating from a sociological standpoint, tough to combat and tough to watch when it's your town...
 
Donovan said:
Fuck that, I'm glad I'm on the side still catching all the breaks. I'm just pissed some white guys threw a conspiracy and nobody invited me...
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Well, you know how those whites are. Out for nobody but themselves. Selfish fucking honkeys. Honkies. Haunkees. Haankeez. H'onkeyz. Hawnkee's.

Anyway.

Is it possible to be myopically racist? Wait, that's a given. Heh.
 
Donovan said:
See, Eloisel? This is your side.
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Actually, I don't have a side in this. Remember, I'm not allowed to have a side. I'm white so I don't count. Just because I have a real fear that I will be 80 years old living in a neighborhood where I'm the only one who speaks English and that is the only language I speak, just means that I have to learn to speak Spanish - right, or move to someplace other than my home in hopes of finding other English speaking persons? It is intolerant and racist and wrong, etc., for me to expect other persons living in the United States to speak English.

I'm telling you what is a fact in my neighborhood. The school roll of the little school at the end of my street tells the tale. Over the last 20 years the student diversity has swapped one end of the spectrum for the other - from predominately white with few Hispanics and some blacks to predominately Hispanic with few whites and some blacks.

What would be an interesting factor in those little charts are a graphic regarding how many of the persons categorized as Hispanic were born and raised in the US but do not speak any language other than Spanish? A woman who works in my office came to the US with her Mexican family when she was a small child. She speaks Spanish and English fluently. She used to use her skills to work for a government office where she dealt more with the Hispanic communities in more southern Texas. She told me that there are large communities of people in southern Texas who were born in the US, raised in the US, have children that were born and raised here, many of them from families that have been in the US several generations, and none of them speak English. I only mention that because of a lecture you once gave me about immigrants needing to be in this country a few generations before they learned to speak English. I'm curious to know on what information you based your statements. Was it from something you read, were taught in school, or from first hand experience?
 
eloisel said:
What would be an interesting factor in those little charts are a graphic regarding how many of the persons categorized as Hispanic were born and raised in the US but do not speak any language other than Spanish?
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You're welcome! :)

(Also of interest: "Spanish is the language that most foreign-born Hispanic adults (52%) speak
exclusively at home. That proportion drops to 11% among second-generation
adults and 6% among those in the third and higher generations.")
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
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You're welcome! :)

(Also of interest: "Spanish is the language that most foreign-born Hispanic adults (52%) speak
exclusively at home. That proportion drops to 11% among second-generation
adults and 6% among those in the third and higher generations.")
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thanks.

However, I wonder if that information is regional. For example, I am not seeing those statistics in my area and from what my co-worker told me about parts of southern Texas where she worked, those statistics also wouldn't fit. Perhaps further from the border they do.

Non-Hispanic students that attend the little school at the end of my street have to learn to speak Spanish. A friend of mine who lives in San Antonio has a 12 year-old daughter who had to learn Spanish in school - not as a choice.
 
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