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George Zimmerman
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jack
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That's probably more true than anyone admits (or wants to) and if he's actually discovered while still in hiding before being charged, everything will be moot, since there will be 2 dead guys instead of one.
'Gear
RIP 1970~2018
LOL? Yeah, I think so -
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/nbc-issues-apology-edited-zimmerman-11-call/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/nbc-issues-apology-edited-zimmerman-11-call/
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Fun fact of the day: Average penis size in Asia is 4.2 inches, give or take 2.8 inches. Documented fact, measurements taken while fully erect.
jack
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SANFORD, Fla. — The people who could end up paying the financial price for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin are, ultimately, the homeowners of the Retreat at Twin Lakes development, say specialists who deal with homeowners associations.
If George Zimmerman, their crime watch program captain, is charged with and convicted of killing Martin, the community's association and property management company probably will be sued by the victim's family over the way the program was established and operated, said Donna Berger, a lawyer who specializes in homeowners association law.
"They may wind up getting sued and getting hit with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and damages," Berger said. "Who will pay is every member of the association, and they will have to make special assessments.... It's a cautionary tale for other associations."
Even if Zimmerman is never charged, the association could be sued. But the plaintiffs' case would be easier if he were convicted.
Located about six miles west of historic downtown Sanford, the 6-year-old Retreat at Twin Lakes includes about 200 two-story town homes. Don O'Brien, president of the homeowners association board, would not comment when contacted last week. Other members of the board did not return phone calls.
Leland Management is the community's property manager. No one from that company returned phone calls from the Orlando Sentinel. The company describes itself as a "proactive management firm with the objective of providing a safe, positive environment for all residents," and says it "believes in fostering community spirit and responsible resident behavior."
Zimmerman shot the unarmed black teen Feb. 26, sparking controversy and inciting protests across the country. He said he fired in self-defense, and he has not been arrested or charged.
Zimmerman was the point person for the subdivision's neighborhood watch program. The September edition of the community's newsletter stated: "To receive Neighborhood Watch updates, safety tips and be noticed [sic] of any suspicious activity within your community, call George Zimmerman." It included his phone number, which has since been disconnected.
It is unclear how much the community's watch program worked with Sanford police. The department's crime prevention specialist, Wendy Dorival, did not return calls.
Jan Bergemann of DeBary, Fla., who operates a homeowners association watchdog group called Cyber Citizens for Justice, said the Retreat at Twin Lakes association should have set rules that warned crime watch members against arming themselves when doing anything that might be considered the business of the watch program.
"They should have issued proper guidelines that disallowed members from running around with guns," Bergemann said. ".... If the Martin family brings a wrongful-death lawsuit, more or less I think the association will be on the hook."
Legal judgments and settlements against an association's board members and directors are usually covered by an errors-and-omissions insurance policy, but the community's crime watch program would not be covered because it's considered more of a neighborhood committee, Bergemann said.
In the past, associations facing legal damages have tried to file for bankruptcy, but judges have not looked favorably on such a strategy, Bergemann said. Also, judges have considered the homes in a community as collateral to cover such damages, he said.
In 2006, the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal held the homeowner association for a South Florida community, Lago Grande, partially responsible in a wrongful-death case; property owners there were assessed about $2,000 each to pay the legal judgment. Even though the facts differed from those of the Martin case, it illustrated how homeowners can be forced to pay for civil judgments imposed on their association.
"This is what I'm always trying to say — being a member of an association is nice when it comes to having a pool and clubhouse, but you buy into all of the association's liabilities too," Bergemann said.
If George Zimmerman, their crime watch program captain, is charged with and convicted of killing Martin, the community's association and property management company probably will be sued by the victim's family over the way the program was established and operated, said Donna Berger, a lawyer who specializes in homeowners association law.
"They may wind up getting sued and getting hit with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and damages," Berger said. "Who will pay is every member of the association, and they will have to make special assessments.... It's a cautionary tale for other associations."
Even if Zimmerman is never charged, the association could be sued. But the plaintiffs' case would be easier if he were convicted.
Located about six miles west of historic downtown Sanford, the 6-year-old Retreat at Twin Lakes includes about 200 two-story town homes. Don O'Brien, president of the homeowners association board, would not comment when contacted last week. Other members of the board did not return phone calls.
Leland Management is the community's property manager. No one from that company returned phone calls from the Orlando Sentinel. The company describes itself as a "proactive management firm with the objective of providing a safe, positive environment for all residents," and says it "believes in fostering community spirit and responsible resident behavior."
Zimmerman shot the unarmed black teen Feb. 26, sparking controversy and inciting protests across the country. He said he fired in self-defense, and he has not been arrested or charged.
Zimmerman was the point person for the subdivision's neighborhood watch program. The September edition of the community's newsletter stated: "To receive Neighborhood Watch updates, safety tips and be noticed [sic] of any suspicious activity within your community, call George Zimmerman." It included his phone number, which has since been disconnected.
It is unclear how much the community's watch program worked with Sanford police. The department's crime prevention specialist, Wendy Dorival, did not return calls.
Jan Bergemann of DeBary, Fla., who operates a homeowners association watchdog group called Cyber Citizens for Justice, said the Retreat at Twin Lakes association should have set rules that warned crime watch members against arming themselves when doing anything that might be considered the business of the watch program.
"They should have issued proper guidelines that disallowed members from running around with guns," Bergemann said. ".... If the Martin family brings a wrongful-death lawsuit, more or less I think the association will be on the hook."
Legal judgments and settlements against an association's board members and directors are usually covered by an errors-and-omissions insurance policy, but the community's crime watch program would not be covered because it's considered more of a neighborhood committee, Bergemann said.
In the past, associations facing legal damages have tried to file for bankruptcy, but judges have not looked favorably on such a strategy, Bergemann said. Also, judges have considered the homes in a community as collateral to cover such damages, he said.
In 2006, the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal held the homeowner association for a South Florida community, Lago Grande, partially responsible in a wrongful-death case; property owners there were assessed about $2,000 each to pay the legal judgment. Even though the facts differed from those of the Martin case, it illustrated how homeowners can be forced to pay for civil judgments imposed on their association.
"This is what I'm always trying to say — being a member of an association is nice when it comes to having a pool and clubhouse, but you buy into all of the association's liabilities too," Bergemann said.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
mmm fox news reporting on an NBC story. plus NBC had Sarah Palin on as a guest host this week on their flagship news show.
I've been following the Florida local papers on this story. The national news is not telling a lot of it accurately, but the local news seems to be doing just fine. This is about the police being idiots in that particular town, and it took this egregiousness to show the skeletons in the closet.
'Gear
RIP 1970~2018
When? I think you must have meant if. Because "if" not "when" would be the intelligent position to take. And of course intelligent observers spend only the shortest necessary amount of time speculating on "if". Only enough to enter any given situation having considered all possibilities so as not to look down to find ones pants around ones ankles.
'Gear
RIP 1970~2018
God knows Florida has it's shit together.
jack
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No I meant when.
jack
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and the beat goes on:
The attorneys for George Zimmerman, the Florida community watch volunteer who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, said Tuesday they have lost touch with their client and are withdrawing from the case.Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig said at a news conference outside the Seminole County Courthhouse in Sanford, Fla., that they heard that Zimmerman on Tuesday had contacted a special prosecutor, who will decide whether or not to press charges against him, against their advice.
They said they have not talked to Zimmerman, whose location is not known, in person in at least two days but in the past had spoken with him over the phone. “We can’t represent him unless he comes forward and asks us,” Uhrig said.
"We have a pretty good idea where he (Zimmerman) is," Uhrig said, but added that Zimmerman is not answering the phone.
The attorneys said they still believe in Zimmerman's story that he was attacked by Martin and fired in self-defense.
The attorneys also expressed concern about Zimmerman's "emotional and physical safety" and said he may be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. They also have reservations about a website Zimmerman set up to solicit money for help in his defense.
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The attorneys for George Zimmerman, Hal Uhrig, foreground, and Craig Sonner at a news conference on Tuesday.
"Him setting up his own web site is fine," Sonner said. "I wish he would have told me.”
Zimmerman, whose father is white and his mother Hispanic, says he shot Martin, who was black, in self-defense Feb. 26 after following him in a gated community in Sanford.
Uhrig said that evidence, including a broken nose sustained by Zimmerman, confirms Zimmerman's account of what transpired the night Martin was shot.
The lack of an arrest or charges in the case has sparked protests nationwide with many claiming that Zimmerman confronted Martin because of his race. Zimmerman's supporters deny that.
Special prosecutor Angela Corey is investigating the fatal shooting in Florida. She said on Monday said she would not convene a grand jury probe. The U.S. Justice Department is also looking into the case.
The attorneys for George Zimmerman, the Florida community watch volunteer who fatally shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, said Tuesday they have lost touch with their client and are withdrawing from the case.Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig said at a news conference outside the Seminole County Courthhouse in Sanford, Fla., that they heard that Zimmerman on Tuesday had contacted a special prosecutor, who will decide whether or not to press charges against him, against their advice.
They said they have not talked to Zimmerman, whose location is not known, in person in at least two days but in the past had spoken with him over the phone. “We can’t represent him unless he comes forward and asks us,” Uhrig said.
"We have a pretty good idea where he (Zimmerman) is," Uhrig said, but added that Zimmerman is not answering the phone.
The attorneys said they still believe in Zimmerman's story that he was attacked by Martin and fired in self-defense.
The attorneys also expressed concern about Zimmerman's "emotional and physical safety" and said he may be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. They also have reservations about a website Zimmerman set up to solicit money for help in his defense.
The attorneys for George Zimmerman, Hal Uhrig, foreground, and Craig Sonner at a news conference on Tuesday.
"Him setting up his own web site is fine," Sonner said. "I wish he would have told me.”
Zimmerman, whose father is white and his mother Hispanic, says he shot Martin, who was black, in self-defense Feb. 26 after following him in a gated community in Sanford.
Uhrig said that evidence, including a broken nose sustained by Zimmerman, confirms Zimmerman's account of what transpired the night Martin was shot.
The lack of an arrest or charges in the case has sparked protests nationwide with many claiming that Zimmerman confronted Martin because of his race. Zimmerman's supporters deny that.
Special prosecutor Angela Corey is investigating the fatal shooting in Florida. She said on Monday said she would not convene a grand jury probe. The U.S. Justice Department is also looking into the case.