"Girl" horror flicks vs. "Guy" horror flicks.

Donovan

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We generally assume that a horror flick is pretty universal stuff, but I had occasion this weekend to witness the glaring, sometimes overpowering, difference between horror movies aimed at women and those aimed at men.

The movies in question were both equally bad in terms of real scariness, but as I am kinda snowbound I had nothing better to do than watch them, and I began to notice some real differences in approach.

In the first film, called "Dark Water," the protagonist is a young, hot mom involved in a divorce. The scare-factors are, in no particular order, a creepy bastard husband, creepy bastard landlord, creepy bastard doorman/super, dirty creepy shitty apartment, unexplained leaks from walls and ceilings, malfunctioning elevators, and ghosts that resemble her dead mother she has unresolved issues with. Underlying theme: creepy guys spying on her and fear of being late. The hero is the mom who wins by being an absolutely great mom, being on time, and being stronger than any of the useless creepy men in the film give her credit for.

The second was called "Stay Alive," about a killer video game inhabited by a nasty witch, has a young male protagonist who is a computer gamer whiz. He has a great job and awesome friends, including two hot chicks who like gamers and have convenient collections of ancient witchcraft texts. You know, just in case they need it later. The things that scare are a strong but ugly witch girl dressed in Freudian Red from head to foot, who wields a long pair of scissors and kills anybody who dies in the game. The protagonist wins by being the best ever at video gaming, doing amazing athletic stunts when called on, and generally being a man of instant thought and action. The useless doofuses in this one are of course cops who scoff at the teens' theories (shades of the Blob).

It was funny to watch the two movies and realize what scares the sexes in different ways. For women, it was plumbing, being alone in the dark, and being watched by creepy men. For guys, it was evil women who make them give up video games. The girl in Dark Water spends scene after scene staring up at a stained and leaky ceiling like it's the devil, where a guy would just shrug and say, "move my porn outta that cabinet before it gets wet, okay?" Meanwhile the girls would take one look at the "Play this game and die" scenario and say," Well don't play it then, jeez!"

Just thought I'd share...
 

Cacophony

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Is Dark Water the one where there's something in the water tank thingy on the roof? I don't want to spoil it, just in case it is, but I think I've seen it and how absolutely horrible it is, and just wanted to confirm.

I really don't enjoy horror movies that much. I'm more of a suspense/mind fuck kind of person - stuff like Silence of the Lambs and whatnot.
 

Donovan

beer, I want beer
Is Dark Water the one where there's something in the water tank thingy on the roof? I don't want to spoil it, just in case it is, but I think I've seen it and how absolutely horrible it is, and just wanted to confirm.

I really don't enjoy horror movies that much. I'm more of a suspense/mind fuck kind of person - stuff like Silence of the Lambs and whatnot.

Yeah I think so. There was a water tank on the roof, but the movie was so bad I turned it off before that part got resolved. I normally like a much better class of suspense like Silence of the Lambs, too, but my boy is into scary stuff right now and I try to sample movies that are scary but still not gore-filled like most modern horror is. I have let him watch some of the greats though. Alien, Jaws, etc. Now that's suspense...
 

Cacophony

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SPOILER

THERE'S A BODY OF A DEAD LITTLE GIRL IN THE WATER TANK ON THE ROOF!

/SPOILER
 

Dirk Funk

Evil Penguin
Yeah I think so. There was a water tank on the roof, but the movie was so bad I turned it off before that part got resolved. I normally like a much better class of suspense like Silence of the Lambs, too, but my boy is into scary stuff right now and I try to sample movies that are scary but still not gore-filled like most modern horror is. I have let him watch some of the greats though. Alien, Jaws, etc. Now that's suspense...

That's exactly why I hated the Halloween remakes. They were insulting. Rob Zombie took out the creepy shit out if the story and just inserted a lot of mindless violence and gore. He also changed the motivation for Michael Meyers. Instead of a person bearing a Celtic curse which had been passed down through the generations, he was just an abused child who snapped. Utterly worthless movie.
 

Ilyanna

moral imperfection
I think what you saw there is more a representation of what male writers / directors think women must be afraid of, rather than factual differences in what horror means to the respective gender. I do believe there are differences, but imo they're more about the type of horror (psycho vs splatter, for example) than the objects that are used. When I worked at the DVD rental, the majority of women interested in horror rented stuff like Funny Games, whereas most guys preferred the Brain Dead variety, although the younger the customers were, the less differences in taste I was able to distinguish. You would be surprised to see just how many girls think that SAW 1-whatever serve as great entertainment for a girls-only evening....


As a sidenote:
Dark Water is a novel from the same author who wrote 'Ring'... fascination with dead girls, much?
 

Seph

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As a sidenote:
Dark Water is a novel from the same author who wrote 'Ring'... fascination with dead girls, much?

dont we all...
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Interesting point, but I tend to think of "chick" horror flicks more like Halloween or even Saw, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, I Am Legend, etc.

Guy horror flix are more like Dawn of the Dead and Texas Chainsaw (especially the remakes) Re-Animator, any of the Bava or Argento films (like Black Sunday, Kill Baby Kill, etc or Creepers).

It still all boils down to, will the creature eat/kill/get you, or will you get away?
 

Seph

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DEAD BY DAWN DEAD BY DAWN!!!
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Those Jap flicks are just misogynist imo (responding to Ily)....Audition and Imprint and some of the other torture/splatter is a bit odd. I don't think those guys get it really.
 

Seph

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Seph

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OMG I LOVE THOSE FILMS

The evil dead series is class, they were sam raimis early films, the guy who made spiderman films...
 

Cacophony

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I really need to see Dawn of the Dead.
 

Donovan

beer, I want beer
Jack: I'd agree on a few of those except I don't think "Legend" fits. Guy horror flicks tend to have a stronger male lead with almost superheroic tendencies. Will Smith as the buff, superscientist who also saves the world and sacrifices himself is totally within that mythos.

For strong female leads, think Jodie Foster in the classic Silence of the Lambs. Totally within the Female mythos as the underestimated strong female character who is criticized and mocked not only by the uber creepy Hannibal, but even by her slightly mysoginist boss, the other inmates. She even satisfies the unresolved childhood issues thing by the story of her time on the farm.

Total "girl" horror film.

I should do a thesis just for fun...
 

Donovan

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Cacophony

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Yeah, that's the one I'd see.

I love me some zombies, I really have no idea why I haven't watched it yet.
 

Cacophony

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Jack: I'd agree on a few of those except I don't think "Legend" fits. Guy horror flicks tend to have a stronger male lead with almost superheroic tendencies. Will Smith as the buff, superscientist who also saves the world and sacrifices himself is totally within that mythos.

For strong female leads, think Jodie Foster in the classic Silence of the Lambs. Totally within the Female mythos as the underestimated strong female character who is criticized and mocked not only by the uber creepy Hannibal, but even by her slightly mysoginist boss, the other inmates. She even satisfies the unresolved childhood issues thing by the story of her time on the farm.

Total "girl" horror film.

I should do a thesis just for fun...

I kind of agree with you here, though I like Silence a lot better than things like ohhhhh... The Hills Have Eyes because it's a lot more of a psychological thriller rather than a SLASH KILL BLOOD movie. Like, I also love Red Dragon with Edward Norton for the same reason as Silence.

It's things jumping out at me that I don't like, and that even carries over to real life. I am not the person that you want to go into a haunted house with - I hate them with an extreme passion, but I'll go if I'm guilted into it. But you bet your ass that I will walk through with my eyes closed and my face in your back, while still screaming at every little noise.

EDIT: As a sidenote, I'm a huge fan of other typical "guy" movies. I love war flicks like Full Metal Jacket, and good down to earth action movies like Die Hard are something that I can watch every day.
 

Donovan

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Dawn of the Dead 1978 holds the distinction of the only horror movie I can't watch all the way thru in one sitting. I watched it as a kid and it buried itself in my psyche in some deep scary place, and it has been there ever since. I can watch other horror movies, even other zombie movies, without blinking, but that one...brrr. It's those damn blue faces. When I saw it we used to ride out to the desert to race dirt bikes every weekend, and we had to get up before dawn to make the trip. So I'd lay in the very rear of the truck and scare myself stupid wondering what would happen if my family turned into zombies while I was trapped in the truck with them...

Good times and permanent psychological damage. These are the joys of childhood...
 

Donovan

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I kind of agree with you here, though I like Silence a lot better than things like ohhhhh... The Hills Have Eyes because it's a lot more of a psychological thriller rather than a SLASH KILL BLOOD movie. Like, I also love Red Dragon with Edward Norton for the same reason as Silence.

It's things jumping out at me that I don't like, and that even carries over to real life. I am not the person that you want to go into a haunted house with - I hate them with an extreme passion, but I'll go if I'm guilted into it. But you bet your ass that I will walk through with my eyes closed and my face in your back, while still screaming at every little noise.

EDIT: As a sidenote, I'm a huge fan of other typical "guy" movies. I love war flicks like Full Metal Jacket, and good down to earth action movies like Die Hard are something that I can watch every day.
Well, my theory is simply based on "what tends to be included" in gender-specific scare-flicks. Good ones vs. awful ones is more universal, and there is of course a lot of carryover in who watches what kinds of movies. I love the psychological horror much better than the slash/guts type, and I wouldn't imply that a preference for one or the other makes you a masculine or feminine type.

In fact, I think the best Horror movies are those that can incorporate aspects of both genders into their storytelling. For example, Die Hard has all the superhero action of a "guycentric" actioner, but also has the sensitive and family-oriented nature of a "girl" suspense film, as we spend lengthy sequences not just with Bruce's wife, but learning about the cop's family as well.

Another good crossover horror flick is Alien, which not only has a strong female lead in Sigourney Weaver, but elements of the superheroic in some of the things she does. Perfect, and not surprisingly one of the common movies mentioned by both men and women as a favorite.
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Jack: I'd agree on a few of those except I don't think "Legend" fits. Guy horror flicks tend to have a stronger male lead with almost superheroic tendencies. Will Smith as the buff, superscientist who also saves the world and sacrifices himself is totally within that mythos.

Well what I meant by I Am Legend as a chick horror film that is that the movie starts out with a STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONIST that saves and destroys the world with her cure for cancer. The good doctor saves his wife and son in the middle of utter chaos when THOUSANDS can't be saved (the female white knight imagery) and it's a female that saves him the night he drives out near the landing and is nearly consumed by the creatures.

And that IS a classy horror film, one that endures. The end is in Milton, VT btw LOL

And Caco, you MUST see DOTD, especially the second one, which condenses the idea much better than the first one.

The remake of Texas is intensely sickeningly yummy like that also.
 
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