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In Which I Cause WF To Strangle Itself TO DEATH.

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Kinda like you and the orange moron. All his fuckups were really triumphs, right?
Yup. We've rolled over to Russia, inflation is out of control, gas prices are through the roof, illegal aliens are a prime vector for new 'rona cases, he's ignored the Supreme Court on Property rights, Afghanistan is looking to be the greatest triumph for radical Islam since...Obama/Biden gave ISIS an country carved out of Iraq and Syria...

But hey...

No mean Tweets. [techman]
 
Trump wiped out ISIS within months of taking office. He grew the middle class. He improved wages and employment--particularly for people of color. He castrated Russia (I know you won't believe that but hey), he stood up to China. We got basically peace in the Middle East and we put Europe on notice that they needed to start pulling their fair share in their own defense. And he got illegal immigration under control.

Think how much more he could've accomplished if he didn't have RINOs and Swamp People sabotaging him at every turn.

Oh, and Biden should be impeached for the crooked shit his idiot son has splattered him with but he should be removed from office under the 25th Amendment. Less than a year in and he's wiping his ass with the Constitution and Bill of Rights and his Oath of Office is null and void.
 
^^Yeah, but those things didn't count, because they didn't fuck the American people like the charlatans and their useful idiots wanted to have happen.
 
Well, if you bozos really want to go down this road . . .
Totally inept response to the COVID outbreak.
Cozying up to Kim Jong-Un.
Inciting a goddam insurrection because he legitimately lost the election.
Reversing the normalization of relations with Cuba.
The wonderful border wall that Mexico is paying for.
Damaging relations with most of our important allies.
Siding with Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies.
Asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden to sway the election.
Mishandling the entire BLM movement.
Calling neonazis "very fine people."
Failure to respond to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico.
Paying hush money to a porn star.
Near total lack of response to the Jamal Khashoggi murder by the Saudis.
Trade war with China.
"Windmills cause cancer."
"Grab 'em by the pussy."
Mike Flynn.
I mean, I could go on and on and on, but of course you guys think all this stuff is made up or "a triumph."
 
Not to get picky here, but the "debunked talking points" are the one V put up.

That's why it's called a discussion, remember?

Lanzmans points are all true. Volpone's are more like right wing conjecture. Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
 
I think you know better by now than to think I just make an assertion I can't and won't back up.

"Inept response to the COVID outbreak".

You're going to have to specify what you mean by that. You mean the response Democrats originally villified him for, then villified him for not doing soon enough?

"Cozying up to Kim Jong-Un" -- you mean, bringing an intractable dictator to the negotiating table, something other Presidents before Trump had likewise tried -- but failed -- to do?

"Inciting a goddamn insurrection" -- you can't even be serious with that shit. We all read and heard what he actually said. It never did, and never will, rise to the standard of incitement. And there was no, "insurrection." Just stop it with that hyperbolic melodrama, you're not five fucking years old, are you.

"Reversing normalization with Cuba" -- you mean the Cuba that abuses the shit out of its citizens? You think that should be rewarded, do ya?

"Damaging relations with most of our important allies" -- how, by pressuring them to foot their part of the NATO bill? Maybe our "important allies" were historically abusing us by refusing to live up to their obligations.

"Asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden" -- this bothers you, but the fact that Ukraine had dirt on Biden doesn't?!

You're just... done, man. You're not someone to be taken seriously when you spew idiotic talking points like these.

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You should have known, yeah. Don't bring debunked talking points to a discussion with me. TK doesn't insulate me from opposing views the way WF does you, young man. Which means I actually follow the oppositional positions and know when they get debunked.

That's an advantage WF doesn't afford you, apparently.

I don't expect you to agree, of course. I'm well aware that your pride won't let you.
 
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Well, if you bozos really want to go down this road . . .
Totally inept response to the COVID outbreak.
Cozying up to Kim Jong-Un.
Inciting a goddam insurrection because he legitimately lost the election.
Reversing the normalization of relations with Cuba.
The wonderful border wall that Mexico is paying for.
Damaging relations with most of our important allies.
Siding with Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies.
Asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden to sway the election.
Mishandling the entire BLM movement.
Calling neonazis "very fine people."
Failure to respond to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico.
Paying hush money to a porn star.
Near total lack of response to the Jamal Khashoggi murder by the Saudis.
Trade war with China.
"Windmills cause cancer."
"Grab 'em by the pussy."
Mike Flynn.
I mean, I could go on and on and on, but of course you guys think all this stuff is made up or "a triumph."
Lol.
-You mean coming up with a program that developed not 1 but 3 vaccines in under a year--that are supposed to be 90% effective? (Usual is years to decades for something that is 50% effective.) He also suggested a number of treatment courses that, it turns out were quite effective at saving lives--but had to be ridiculed and buried because Orange Man Bad.
-How did he "cozy up" to Little Rocket Man? More than one person has said "the art of diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." He mocked Fatty when that worked and flattered him when that worked. End result? n Korea was relatively quiet for 4 years.
Yeah, on second thought, I'm not going point-by-point on this, because it's clear that you've bought into the brainwashing hook, line, and sinker. That's why you don't get how fucked WF is. You're like "well, maybe if I'm obsequious enough they'll like me." Liberals do not respect weakness. It disgusts them and they exploit it. Look at Mitch Romney. Look at John McCain. Lefties love them because they're tame RINOs that will jump through whatever hoop they put out and then be grateful for the attention when they get laughed at, kicked and spit on.
 
You should have known, yeah. Don't bring debunked talking points to a discussion with me. TK doesn't insulate me from opposing views the way WF does you, young man. Which means I actually follow the oppositional positions and know when they get debunked.

That's an advantage WF doesn't afford you, apparently.

I don't expect you to agree, of course. I'm well aware that your pride won't let you.
If by “debunked” you mean “buried under Qanon fantasies and My Pillow fever dreams,” then yeah. Sure.
 
If by “debunked” you mean “buried under Qanon fantasies and My Pillow fever dreams,” then yeah.

By 'debunked', I mean most of the debunking eventually penetrated even the Echo Chamber you're drawing water from. You're just so absurdly fucking consumed with hatred for the one President in the last 20+ years who represented Americans other than lobbyists, celebrities, and the political class that you're complicit in blinding yourself to reality.

Like how even USA Today clarifies that this:
Calling neonazis "very fine people."

-- is a leftist horseshit talking point. Trump did not call neo-nazis "very fine people." Now do the predictable Clown World thing by claiming that USA Today is a "far right" source. I dare ya.
 
Ugh. This has become a politics thread.

Don't get me wrong, I like to discuss politics, but I do NOT like to be part of a monkey poop throwing fight. And it's gotta be at least 15 years since I saw intelligent political discussion on the Internet. When you're digging out failed and discredited smears from 2 elections ago while a won war is lost, a beaten pandemic returns, energy and immigration policies are destroyed and the Basement Joe is hiding out at Camp David...
 
If by “debunked” you mean “buried under Qanon fantasies and My Pillow fever dreams,” then yeah. Sure.

Specifically, the claim that Trump ever called white supremacists gold people is a complete lie. Seriously, please watch the full video. He specifically said there are good people on both sides of the statue debate and that he is not talking about finge racial supremacists groups. Yet the left wing MSM really did just edit all of that out and then lied and claimed Trump said the exact opposite.

That is not even open for debate because it is established video taped truth about what the man said. That you still believe the lie means you really aren't that well informed andbshould try harder to break out of your media bubble. Just my $0.02.
 
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