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Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal?

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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal?
#7669689 - 11/05/2007 04:46 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Since basically your house isn't public but a private domain (unless your renting it but then whoever owns it has private ownership over it). So wouldn't things like getting directions to your house, mapping your house from satellites, be illegal as in invasion of privacy?

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Docbrown777
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Loc: DFW Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: thestonedkoala]
#7669697 - 11/05/2007 04:50 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply





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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: Docbrown777]
#7669701 - 11/05/2007 04:52 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Well, I'm asking this question because of the definition of public and private information is becoming hard with the information age.

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CYOTI
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Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: Docbrown777]
#7669707 - 11/05/2007 04:53 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



To put this incontext, the OP also thinks that he is the prophet and bishop of his own "religion".

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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: CYOTI]
#7669714 - 11/05/2007 04:56 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Hmm, going off topic are we?

It's really hard because technically you don't own the land but you own the house that sits upon the land, so?

And if people were concerned about former ex's coming to find them (through other means) wouldn't Yahoo Directions be pretty bad because basically it gives you a direct route to the house?

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Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: thestonedkoala]
#7669770 - 11/05/2007 05:20 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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thestonedkoala said:
Hmm, going off topic are we?

It's really hard because technically you don't own the land but you own the house that sits upon the land, so?

And if people were concerned about former ex's coming to find them (through other means) wouldn't Yahoo Directions be pretty bad because basically it gives you a direct route to the house?


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If an ex is going through the trouble to track you down, they don't need Google or Yahoo. You may as well try to ban telephone books and road maps, because that's all anyone needs to track you down. Hell, if they already know your address (since you're typing it into Google Maps in the first place!) you don't even need the phone book!

The property at that address may be private, but it's a moot point. Addresses are public. The government handed out road construction and housing permits and assigned postal/zip codes to the appropriate areas.

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TalaxianHunter
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Loc: Er... Somewhere Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: CYOTI]
#7669889 - 11/05/2007 06:06 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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To put this incontext, the OP also thinks that he is the prophet and bishop of his own "religion".


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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: Drala\'Fi]
#7669913 - 11/05/2007 06:16 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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thestonedkoala said:
Hmm, going off topic are we?

It's really hard because technically you don't own the land but you own the house that sits upon the land, so?

And if people were concerned about former ex's coming to find them (through other means) wouldn't Yahoo Directions be pretty bad because basically it gives you a direct route to the house?


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If an ex is going through the trouble to track you down, they don't need Google or Yahoo. You may as well try to ban telephone books and road maps, because that's all anyone needs to track you down. Hell, if they already know your address (since you're typing it into Google Maps in the first place!) you don't even need the phone book!

The property at that address may be private, but it's a moot point. Addresses are public. The government handed out road construction and housing permits and assigned postal/zip codes to the appropriate areas.


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The problem is, is accessibility though. You might not even know where the place is or what city but finding it on Google or Yahoo does it pretty quickly and gives you a route to go along. Pretty scary, especially with stalkers and such. And satellite photos of your house? Scarier...

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TheBrew
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Loc: 2nd Star to the Right and Stra... Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TalaxianHunter]
#7669943 - 11/05/2007 06:31 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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CYOTI said:
To put this incontext, the OP also thinks that he is the prophet and bishop of his own "religion".


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So, I have a cult that worships me. So far the only follower is my cat, but I have hopes that others will see the light. First 10 to sign up get a free hat.


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I've got that beat. First 10 get a hat AND a t-shirt. Plus I have twice as many followers already.

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Loc: United States Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TheBrew]
#7669948 - 11/05/2007 06:36 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



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TalaxianHunter
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Loc: Er... Somewhere Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TheBrew]
#7669952 - 11/05/2007 06:38 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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TalaxianHunter said:

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CYOTI said:
To put this incontext, the OP also thinks that he is the prophet and bishop of his own "religion".


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So, I have a cult that worships me. So far the only follower is my cat, but I have hopes that others will see the light. First 10 to sign up get a free hat.


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I've got that beat. First 10 get a hat AND a t-shirt. Plus I have twice as many followers already.


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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TalaxianHunter]
#7669955 - 11/05/2007 06:38 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Thanks everyone

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TheMacMan
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Loc: Just out of sight. Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: thestonedkoala]
#7670048 - 11/05/2007 07:28 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Anything you can see from public property, is public knowledge.

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Loc: Feedings Trolls to Pirahnas Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TheMacMan]
#7670066 - 11/05/2007 07:45 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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Anything you can see from public property, is public knowledge.


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I'd be suprised if the companies that went around producing street directories did all the map work themselves, I'd say that the information program comes from the roads/transport authorities or government cartographers so

Google/Yahoo could simple pay a licence fee and setup their own system or they could work from satelite pictures etc. I think however the former would be most cost effective.

So I don't think Google or Yahoo doing it would be illegal unless they made unauthorised use of some-one else's work.

After all look at the profilieration of GPS and sat nav systems both in pda form and fitted to cars - people are making money out of the things.

Of course as one motorist found at recently they can lead to your car making small splace in a big river.

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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TheMacMan]
#7670102 - 11/05/2007 08:11 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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Anything you can see from public property, is public knowledge.


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BUT again it makes it a lot easier. If you didn't know where some small city is that your ex moved too or this girl you really like or guy you really like lives, you can look it up on the Internet easier than you can in an Atlas. And get directions too!

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TheMacMan
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Loc: Just out of sight. Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: thestonedkoala]
#7670113 - 11/05/2007 08:20 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply




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Anything you can see from public property, is public knowledge.


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BUT again it makes it a lot easier. If you didn't know where some small city is that your ex moved too or this girl you really like or guy you really like lives, you can look it up on the Internet easier than you can in an Atlas. And get directions too!


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So?

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thestonedkoala
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Loc: Hell, where I belong Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: TheMacMan]
#7670120 - 11/05/2007 08:24 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Isn't it an invasion of privacy? It makes your house easier to access and easier to find...Google Satellite is freaking scary as hell IMO because of how you can find your way around an area with actual structures and such.

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Re: Is Google Satellite and Yahoo Directions illegal? [Re: thestonedkoala]
#7670657 - 11/05/2007 14:25 Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



As a general rule, one has no expectation of privacy for something that can be seen visually from a public place.

If you were banging your wife on your front lawn, for example, you can't bring any legal action against someone who stops to watch. You're on your property, true - but they aren't.

The use of technological aids to extend the ability of someone standing in a public place to look into your property has generally be upheld by the SCOTUS if those techniques just reproduce what a person nearby could see or hear. That makes telescopes, binoculars, and (I would have to conclude) satellites acceptable, as long as they are looking at the outside of your house. If some future technology allowed for X-ray vision inside someone's house, that probably would not be allowed, since it's not duplicating what a nearby person would see. Naturally this produces some grey areas; there was even a SCOTUS case about the use of heat-sensing equipment to "look at" the heat waves around the outside of a person's house, in the context of trying to detect marijuana cultivation, but I can't remember which way the court ruled.

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Here's one for you:

- Go to Google Maps
- Go to Get Directions
- Enter 'New York' as the first address
- Enter 'London' as the second address and hit 'Get Directions'

Then check out the route, and look at item 24 on the list.
 
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